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Still a much better asset to keep compared to Matty BonBon.
A lot of you need belittling
Still a much better asset to keep compared to Matty BonBon.
Butler not getting cut yet after almost 24 hours from the agreement is probably a good sign for him..
Obviously I'm not overrating Butler, and he certainly isn't moving the needle for us..but the point of adding veterans at the deep end of a contender's bench is the capacity of those guys play/contribute in a pinch..In that function, through 62 games , Rasual eclipses Bonner pretty convincingly..
If Pop opts to keep Bonner and his dodgy calf, it would reek of toe-curling sentimentality..There is just no way around it..no in' basketball reason...And let's stop this "good locker room guy" BS, because last time I checked Tim/Manu still have nameplates inside it..no one is looking up to Ginger....
Last edited by spursistan; 03-05-2016 at 06:34 PM.
Bonner got his contract b/c there was no one else PATFO were interested in picking up for the vet min & Rasual earned his contract during training camp so that basically means Pop already has acknowledge: Rasual > Bonner as far as what they have to offer on the court.
Considering how ty Diaw has been, it makes it even more imperative to keep Rasual who can also fill in spot minutes at the wing if Kyle is shaky in the postseason. Let's not forget, Bonner barely played against the Clippers when Tiago was injured.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 03-05-2016 at 04:31 PM.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bonner got one last game at home (tonight) and then moves on to the front office job he obviously already has in place.
But he's out injured isn't he?
No need to cut players until K-Mart passes his physical so that could be the case.
^ He has been off and on the injury report the past few games.
Seems about right. Other scenarios, we'd see the player cut already.
That's the point.. He played 19 minutes OVER a regular rotation guy who was stinking up the joint in a close game and got 2 blocks/2 assist (vs Pelicans)..Is this the profile of somebody who needs to be cut right after? If it happens that would one of the coldest PATFO move i could remember..
People can trumpet Butler's better than expected athleticism/all around game, but the bottom line is, he was only brought in because they couldn't afford someone like Martin and he was always going to need to shoot a high percentage from three for them to not pursue an upgrade.
Even though they're not exactly the same player/position, they'll essentially be asked to play the same role and they're obviously going to go with Martin over him, which makes him expendable.
I'd be fine with keeping him over Bonner, but I'd understand if Bonner is kept too, because unless he immediately slides into a front office role, his loss would have a more profound effect on the team.
All the predictable talk of Martin being a "loser" and "a scorer, not a spot up shooter", ignores two things. 1) He's been on one relevant team (for one season) in his career and 2) He mostly played off the ball and shot 42% from three.
He's on the Spurs now. He won't get calls very often anymore by association.
Martin is a good 3pt shooter so there's that.
Martin USED to be a good three point shooter, he's just average now. In fact he would be by percentage be inferior to guys like Diaw and Simmons.
Better than Butler and Anderson, and useless Miller, but nothing special.
Could we at least give the guy a few games in the Spurs system with the looks that system provides before declaring he's done as a shooter?
He still is. 37%, on a mess of a team, going in and out of the rotation.
It's not only about percentage though, it's also about volume. Diaw and Simmons are not volume shooters and don't have reputations as shooters, so defenses don't respect them.
Agreed. While were at it, we should probably stop asking questions like should Martin get some of Green's minutes when the team needs more offense unless you're a fan of addition by subtraction. Not sure if I've seen enough of him to make a claim for or against.
Pretty ty take. Their roles are actually nothing the same. One is an instant offense guard and the other is a energy player/solid help defender who is a backup 3/small ball 4.
Fair enough. I just think Pop sometimes does look for that, even if he knows it hurts the defense. He did quite a bit of that with Beli, and there are teams out there that won't punish you for having a poor defender on the floor (Stots' Blazers come to mind)...
By when do the Spurs have to cut a player?
I said, on this team.
Butler playing small ball power forward is just an attempt to occasionally wring some more three-point shooting out of a team that lacks it and to give Diaw a kick in the ass, but there was never a chance of Butler playing over Diaw in the post season.
If Butler were to have a rotation role, it would be as a small forward and obviously he'd remain a spot up shooter. That's the exact role Martin will fill.
While I agree with the idea of being patient, I feel like your post is only looking at the situation from one perspective. It supposes that the "system" is something that is beyond the players when it's really far from true. The players make the system, not the other way around. While that's obvious when considering stars like Leonard and LMA, it's true even for role-players. The way the offense and team as a whole run with Mills at PG is completely different than when Tony is PG. Or having Manu instead of Green, West instead of Duncan or Diaw. Personnel dictates how the Spurs run their sets, who stands where and when, and how fast the ball moves.
Bringing in limited shooters like Martin might result in him having better looks and higher percentages. Or it could hinder the Spurs' offense by having a guy who doesn't like shooting from the corner rather than guys like Anderson or Simmons who like shooting from there. And it's even worse if Martin is playing next to Manu, as Ginobili doesn't like shooting from the corner either. No one in the corner limits passing lanes on drives. It clogs up the PnR. Add to the fact that Martin can only shoot on the left side, and he isn't that great at spacing the floor. So it's entirely possible that he'll hurt the system more than it'll help him, at least from a spot-shooting perspective.
After K-Mart passes his physical & the deal gets approved by the league.
But if this is all true..Why would the Spurs do it?
What I figured, tbh; wasn't sure if Bonner's injury would create an exception though.
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