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    Because of I watched the whole game I find your posts so wrong-funny...You know, when you read something that is so stupid it's funny
    Well what can I say?
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    Special Education comedy is easy with the dolt ridden crew.

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    This loss would usually mean nothing to me, but Parker worries me. I would've preferred him showing up while LMA or Kawhi have the off game (since LMA and Kawhi have proven their consistency this season).

    Like it or not, our playoff hopes rest on him, per usual through the Pop-era. LMA/Kawhi are simply not enough (it has nothing to do with them. Shaq and Kobe wouldn't be enough in today's league. You need 3rd and 4th guys who are 20 point game threats these days).
    I agree to an extent, but I don't think Parker has to be the "3rd or 4th threat"..he's the best ball-handler and penetrator on the team, so he's still useful, but using him as a high-usage scorer is only going to be optimal vs. the Cavs, among contending opponents..

    Spurs need 1 of Parker/Ginobili to play well, from what we have seen since 2013..they can survive if 1 of them struggles..

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    Agreed. Even in the game thread I said I wanted to see the stops at the end of the game, whether SA made or missed. This was about as poor of a game as you can have offensively and on the road against a team fighting for a playoff spot you still gave yourself a chance to win.

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    My concern is not just TP. It's the SL. Too many times there has been 2-3 guys starting that give you absolutely no offensive production. Its usually bulk scoring from LMA/Kawhi. Spurs can survive with Tim not scoring IMO because of his impact on defense, but SA needs at least one DG/TP chipping in more consistently. Getting less than 15 points between 2-3 of your starters is tough even with great defense.

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    My concern is not just TP. It's the SL. Too many times there has been 2-3 guys starting that give you absolutely no offensive production. Its usually bulk scoring from LMA/Kawhi. Spurs can survive with Tim not scoring IMO because of his impact on defense, but SA needs at least one DG/TP chipping in more consistently. Getting less than 15 points between 2-3 of your starters is tough even with great defense.
    All true, but not totally unexpected..it has been 4 months, but it generally takes over a full season of basketball to incorporate a new system and adding in a high-usage player like Aldridge to the team..it's part of the reason the Spurs' record is so surprising(along with terrible compe ion, this season)..

    Parker had been the primary creator in the same system for 5 years, and this is the first time Green has ever played in a different NBA system, as well..

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    I agree to an extent, but I don't think Parker has to be the "3rd or 4th threat"..he's the best ball-handler and penetrator on the team, so he's still useful, but using him as a high-usage scorer is only going to be optimal vs. the Cavs, among contending opponents..

    Spurs need 1 of Parker/Ginobili to play well, from what we have seen since 2013..they can survive if 1 of them struggles..
    I'm not advocating high usage for him, but there's going to be games (in the playoffs) in which LMA and/Kawhi are struggling/facing doubles all game, so we need that additional scorer, preferably a perimeter scorer, who can help relieve that pressure. I'm behind Parker so strongly this season because when he's in form (not necessarily scoring 20, but pressuring the defense with penetration and probing), the Spurs go to another level.

    As we know, a huge factor in the 2014 run was Manu's resurgence, but I just can't expect a 38 year old with that kind of play style to even be a consistent double digit scorer in a late round playoff series. Patty can indeed pop off, but he matches up terribly all around with Golden State.

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    We need November Tony.

    Last year he had a run of about 7 games near the end of the season where he was fast. Then he went sour before the playoffs and was horrible during the loss to Clip. Makes me think even minor stuff from the waist down has a significant affect.

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    Watching Manu today, we def need Parker...whoever is throwing the ball game away should be benched though.

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    Sure, I'm not blaming as much as I am observing what has happened. I think DG will get more looks, but it's interesting to see that even for a low usuage rate career player, he's suffered a decent % dip in usage rate. Not surprised he is suffering and luckily all of his defensive metrics grade out the same as previous years. IMO, DG's issue is just time adjusting.

    TP luckily has done well from 3 which is nice development. Not something you will want to rely on, but him becoming serviceable there should help. But no matter what, TP/DG have to chip in offensively. The SL defense is rock solid so if they can just turn the corner with TP/DG getting a few more good looks, they should be rocking.

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    I'm not advocating high usage for him, but there's going to be games (in the playoffs) in which LMA and/Kawhi are struggling/facing doubles all game, so we need that additional scorer, preferably a perimeter scorer, who can help relieve that pressure. I'm behind Parker so strongly this season because when he's in form (not necessarily scoring 20, but pressuring the defense with penetration and probing), the Spurs go to another level.

    As we know, a huge factor in the 2014 run was Manu's resurgence, but I just can't expect a 38 year old with that kind of play style to even be a consistent double digit scorer in a late round playoff series. Patty can indeed pop off, but he matches up terribly all around with Golden State.
    You have to get used to the fact that SA is not going to be some offensive juggernaut anymore. They are still damn good there, but it's more bulk scoring in the SL from LMA/Kawhi and then bench. They rely on efficiency on offense (great FG, FT & 3PT rankings) and amazing defense. If the Spurs can just get a slight uptick from the SL scoring they should be damn tough to beat.

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    I just can't believe we have only 10 losses at this point of the season with such a pathetic backcourt tbh

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    My concern is not just TP. It's the SL. Too many times there has been 2-3 guys starting that give you absolutely no offensive production. Its usually bulk scoring from LMA/Kawhi. Spurs can survive with Tim not scoring IMO because of his impact on defense, but SA needs at least one DG/TP chipping in more consistently. Getting less than 15 points between 2-3 of your starters is tough even with great defense.
    It has trended this way. Lately it has really been Kawhi and LMA scoring and taking 20-22 shots and the other taking 17-18. Here they both went to 20+ shots. We are not the Thunder and supposed to win on two superstars alone. Danny takes whatever is given. He's a roleplayer period. If he can make shots it loosens up everyone and we even get into garbage time territory, but strict shooters as he is are streaky and and he's always been like that.

    Tony lately not producing has been an issue, a big one.

    And TD, what can you say? Its hard to criticize him, but I think he does need to be an offensive threat bc if he's in the game and not taking opportunities, then he's just clogging the paint for others period. With the exception of a couple of recent good games, after his return from the knee he has been absolutely ghastly scoring. Obviously we are better defensively with him there but we need him to be efficient in the paint to have a chance.

    Also, an underrated aspect here is that the bench was poor too. Manu had the out of rhythm game we expected from him his first game back, and the schedule is going to get tougher. Diaw didn't give much in this one, and neither Anderson, nor West took enough shots. Generally teams tend to be more inefficient when two guys get 43 shots among them in the SL and Manu and Mills are the only ones taking shots in the bench it means roleplayers are not getting good looks in the offense.

    Frankly I think Pop would have shaken things up a bit, be more bold than Messina was, who stuck to what wasn't working.

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    Well, the good news is if anyone has the role players to be a better OKC, it's SA. Sure, LMA/KL are not the offensive dynamos that Durant/WB are, but the team defense is miles better and so are the role players for when you need them.

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    No loss is satisfying.

    It is satisfying to see the team make a come back in a game they were shooting very poorly in collectively. They competed. But the loss itself, no. Crap!

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    happens, wasn't a bad game TBH. Fought back to get close against a decent Indiana team.

    Don't let Indiana beat you on Tuesday night.

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    I'm really really really worried about this team's offense. Too much dead weight in the starting lineup and our bench is very inconsistent on the road.

    It's really really hard to find players on this team you can trust to deliver for you at this stage which is scary considering the playoffs are right around the corner. I have faith in Kawhi, but even LMA is a question mark in matchups against contenders and everyone else you have absolutely no idea what they're going to give you on any given night.

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    I'm really really really worried about this team's offense. Too much dead weight in the starting lineup and our bench is very inconsistent on the road.

    It's really really hard to find players on this team you can trust to deliver for you at this stage which is scary considering the playoffs are right around the corner. I have faith in Kawhi, but even LMA is a question mark in matchups against contenders and everyone else you have absolutely no idea what they're going to give you on any given night.
    I aggre: and it is the mark of only having two young studs in their primes. The rest are too old (most of the roster) or too young (Anderson mostly, Simmons and Boban when they play not so much that young, but they are inexperienced.

    Older players are going to be up and down. Timmy frankly is hit and miss offensively and bc he clogs the paint (really, does anyone debate that?) he needs to be shooting better inside. Danny is a streaky shooter. Tony, well you know. He's a difference maker when he's on, when he is not, we have to be sincere and admit he's important to the team and its hard to overcome bad performances from him and he is getting to the point in his career when its hard for him to be that consistent too.

    Then you have Diaw (WTF is up with him? he is not coasting), WEst is also older, and as good of a passer as he is, he is also prone to the same passiveness Diaw and Anderson have been guilty of at times. He got some good looks inside where he could have been more forceful, and maybe even draw fouls, but kept kicking out to a stone cold Patty for 3s. Its fine to keep feeding Patty but he took 13 shots and you just 3: shoot the damn ball D.West!

    Then you have the other end of the spectrum. Anderson is too young to expect him to be consistent at anything but his own effort and to keep his aggressiveness up at all times. Hopefully we see him develop and get better, but he's young with a developing game. Lets just recognize his youth and that he's learning to play in this league and I actually thought he was aggressive in this one taking it to the hoop, where he missed some contested looks but he was also successful drawing fouls. I much rather keep Anderson doing things like that. That he's been able to keep our bench afloat in Manu's absence in a few games is actually an accomplishment.

    I have changed my mind on Simmons. I think he should be kept and I hope they don't release him. Anderson is very skilled and talented, but he needs an athletic wing partner and Simmons could be it. Eventually they really could be a nice combo, Simmons has his own game to polish a bit (specially on defense, once coaches trust him on that side of the ball, he will get more playing time IMO), but Kyle is a very unselfish player and passer in transition and that is Simmons game. The two together can be better than the individual parts.

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    Every player not named Mills struggled with their shot but they managed to claw their way back into the game with terrific defense. What's even more impressive is that while the spurs missed a ton of shots, they also didnt shy away from their gameplan.

    It was actually a gutsy performance overall.
    mills shot 6 for 13. parker shot 2 for 8. also, we went on that 23-15 to end the game after parker left.

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    To have a chance to tie it up in the last minute of the game after that horrible offensive performances is pretty amazing really. It was hard to watch.

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    Is this game a reminder that we are just a pretenders? And just like last time when Warriors lost a game and there was oportonity to get closer Spurs couldn't face the pressure and came also with a loss, is this because it's Kawhi led team?

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    Took a miracle TP injury for them to get close but still a gutsy performance....albeit poor from an execution standpoint.

    They weren't catching Golden State regardless and I think the Dubs will still go all out regardless of the Spurs record to catch the Bulls record....hopefully the Spurs catch an injury break like Ibaka from '14 tbh....
    Eh, Spurs crushed OKC in game 5 and beat them at their house in game 6 with Ibaka in there. Nobody was stopping them in 014. That being said GSW with HC will be VERY hard to beat if healthy.

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    Eh, Spurs crushed OKC in game 5 and beat them at their house in game 6 with Ibaka in there. Nobody was stopping them in 014. That being said GSW with HC will be VERY hard to beat if healthy.
    I am starting to get to the point where I fell nobody will beat GS in the PO. Curry is hitting at the most ridiculous level the NBA has ever seen, and his supporting cast is really built up to support the way he plays. I hope, I am not right, but barring any major injuries, nobody will beat GS 4 times.

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    Green. Just green

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    Idk.. there was nothing satisfying about watching them miss tons of open 3s and lay ups.

    Also nothing good about execution at the end, or that foul call on a clean swipe on monta that became a 4pt swing.

    Seeing chucking guards light up the Spurs is kinda torturing.

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    CIA Pop.

    Just a favor to Indiana for agreeing to trade kawhi for George

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