Was Aldridge worth it, tbh?

[davidbowie]

WE need TIAGO AND BAYNES BACK

its the only way to beat the warriors tbh

[Sean Cagney]

WE need TIAGO AND BAYNES BACK

its the only way to beat the warriors tbh

I doubt you beat the W's with a guy who is out for the season again honestly . Tiago would be in street clothes per par.

[YGWHI]

I'm obviously not advocating that set all the time, but if the Spurs want to win a le, Parker is going to have to play a significant role as an offensive engine. Kawhi will be facing double, triple teams, and collapses in the playoffs, so Parker will be needed quite often to take some of the offensive burden off him.

The Spurs signed LMA to avoid being reliant on Parker's offense...Also, they won't win a lot of games in playoffs if Parker takes more shots than Kawhi...

[YGWHI]

I remember Chinook said LMA was the more efficient scorer between LMA and KAwhi.

Kawhi Leonard's TS% of .627 is the best ever by a Spurs player averaging over 20 PPG

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...rder_by=ts_pct

Well, this is the guy who Chinook wants to spot-up waiting for a "secondary action" but if there isn't a secondary play for him doesn't matter, the Spurs don't need to develop him on offense, he doesn't need the ball in his hands to improve...after all they have "Parker in the middle of an Indian summer".

[Chinook]

Don't get? I'd say "don't agree".

Of course you would, because you don't get it. Case in point.

Kawhi didn't do most of his damage after starting the possession spotting up, we saw good plays with him as initiator, penetrating and dishing...That's why I said in that thread he needs the ball in his hands to improve in other areas of his offensive game.

Here's what I got: Six spot-up plays (four shots and two assists); Three post-up scores; Three PnR plays (two scores and an assist); One non-PnR and non-spot-up drive for a score; And Two transition buckets (a pull-up three and an alley-oop finish). He was assisted on six of his 12 scores (I'm not counting Diaw's assist on Leonard's drive, as Kawhi took four dribbles) for 16 of his 30 points. What I will give you is that eight of Kawhi's 14 plays that led to points resulted from him creating the initial movement of the defense. I will say that more than half of his shots were either threes of transition buckets, which combined with the quick-hit post-ups fail to bear out your assertion that Leonard was this penetrator/facilitator are you make him out to be.

I don't agree with your "Kawhi can become a dominant offensive player like Melo or Prime Kobe, but the rest of the team is going to struggle with awkward roles" His teammates roles didn't look awkward with Kawhi being dominant on offense in the last games...

I mean, this was a poor offensive game for most of the Spurs. LMA and Kawhi scored 60 percent of team's points. Outside of them, only Green and Patty shot over 34 percent. That you take this as a shining example of Kawhi's offensive style shows why you're a playerfan.

[Chinook]

Kawhi Leonard's TS% of .627 is the best ever by a Spurs player averaging over 20 PPG

That's awesome. Kawhi's a great player, and he deserves better fans than you guys.

Well, this is the guy who Chinook wants to spot-up waiting for a "secondary action"

Yeah, why would you have the league's second-best three-point shooter spot up? Seems so silly, especially considering how much Leonard does it.

but if there isn't a secondary play for him doesn't matter, the Spurs don't need to develop him on offense

Yeah, because that wasn't the exact opposite meaning of what I said at all.

he doesn't need the ball in his hands to improve

Evidently, he didn't.

after all they have "Parker in the middle of an Indian summer"

They sure did. But keep using old quotes out of context and trying to make them seem like they were supposed to reflect current reality. And even better that they are partial quotes.

[Slime Baller]

Heading to the game in a bit. Nosebleed seats, but still. Should be a good time.

[BillMc]

LMA has adapted well, defense better than advertised, and he's shooting 61% in 4th quarters.

Yeah, he was well worth it.

[YGWHI]

Here's what I got: Six spot-up plays (four shots and two assists); Three post-up scores; Three PnR plays (two scores and an assist); One non-PnR and non-spot-up drive for a score; And Two transition buckets (a pull-up three and an alley-oop finish). He was assisted on six of his 12 scores (I'm not counting Diaw's assist on Leonard's drive, as Kawhi took four dribbles) for 16 of his 30 points. What I will give you is that eight of Kawhi's 14 plays that led to points resulted from him creating the initial movement of the defense. I will say that more than half of his shots were either threes of transition buckets, which combined with the quick-hit post-ups fail to bear out your assertion that Leonard was this penetrator/facilitator are you make him out to be.

I said Kawhi was driving and dishing, making some good plays in the last games...and he was. You just don't want to admit it.

I mean, this was a poor offensive game for most of the Spurs. LMA and Kawhi scored 60 percent of team's points. Outside of them, only Green and Patty shot over 34 percent. That you take this as a shining example of Kawhi's offensive style shows why you're a playerfan.

Yeah...Because Kawhi/LMA, both, having a great offensive game, and Kawhi's offensive style, made the rest of the team shoot bad, right?

That's awesome. Kawhi's a great player, he deserves better fans than you guys.

What Kawhi needs is the chance to keep improving offensively and better critics.
TYG is just a hater and you continue to post stupid things about him like his style of offense makes his teammates shoot bad, or his Melo-lite offense forces his teammates to have awkward roles...

[YGWHI]

LMA has adapted well, defense better than advertised, and he's shooting 61% in 4th quarters.

Yeah, he was well worth it.

At this stage of the season, this isn't even arguable. I love that article about his successful assimilation and how the proccess looks complete now.

[midnightpulp]

The Spurs signed LMA to avoid being reliant on Parker's offense...Also, they won't win a lot of games in playoffs if Parker takes more shots than Kawhi...

You're still not getting it.

I'm not speaking of offensive production in general, but of perimeter offense scoring/playmaking. You can't expect Kawhi to carry the majority of the perimeter scoring load, the perimeter defense load, while being a much needed dribble-drive threat (which takes more energy). And as far as the starters go, he's only the only legit perimeter scorer that can create his own shot/collapse the defense other than Tony.

Who said anything about Tony taking more shots? When I say engine, I mean Tony is going to have to be someone who can break down a defense off the dribble and through penetration. Kawhi can't do everything, all the time on the perimeter. Tony needs to be that additional perimeter threat along with Kawhi among the starters.

[YGWHI]

You're still not getting it.

I'm not speaking of offensive production in general, but of perimeter offense scoring/playmaking. You can't expect Kawhi to carry the majority of the perimeter scoring load, the perimeter defense load, while being a much needed dribble-drive threat (which takes more energy). And as far as the starters go, he's only the only legit perimeter scorer that can create his own shot/collapse the defense other than Tony.

Who said anything about Tony taking more shots? When I say engine, I mean Tony is going to have to be someone who can break down a defense off the dribble and through penetration. Kawhi can't do everything, all the time on the perimeter. Tony needs to be that additional perimeter threat along with Kawhi among the starters.

I'd like to think you're right about Parker, but he couldn't carry the load in last playoffs when the Spurs needed another guy to step up on offense...Not sure he's still able to do it in the postseason.

Anyway, the Warriors aren't planning on Barnes taking over because teams double/focus on Curry/Klay...I hope Kawhi/LMA will be enough on that end to win games in playoffs.

[Chinook]

I said Kawhi was driving and dishing, making some good plays in the last games...and he was. You just don't want to admit it.

See, this is your issue. You think anyone who doesn't agree with you hates Kawhi. The issue is you being an intellectually dishonest jackass with mine and other's quotes in an effort to semen shield Leonard. That you keep bringing up that Parker thread when it becomes more and more clear with each passing day that you were wrong just underscores how ty the discourse is with you.

I have never said Kawhi didn't drive and kick ever. I did show the highlights of last game (against NO) to show that Kawhi wasn't doing a particularly large amount of his damage through penetration. I would be an idiot to assert that Leonard didn't penetrate at all, because EVERY perimeter player does it from time to time. And Leonard's been getting better at it, which is only good news. But that doesn't erase the fact that your thread ing about a streaking Parker getting the ball over letting Kawhi experimenting was just stupid playerfanning, and that you continue to show the same lack of perspective and even double down on it now.

Yeah...Because Kawhi/LMA, both, having a great offensive game, and Kawhi's offensive style, made the rest of the team shoot bad, right?

You have the burden of proof. It's clear that other guys struggled in the Pelicans games, even though Leonard (and Aldridge, but he's like an afterthought in his own thread now thanks to you), which goes against your assertion that they weren't struggling.

What Kawhi needs is the chance to keep improving offensively and better critics.

He seems to be improving just fine without Pop following your selfish playerfan gameplan. Again, everything Kawhi is doing now shows why your Parker thread was dumb. Kawhi, Parker and LMA have all taken turns being the dominant offensive players in games, and it hasn't hurt them.

you continue to post stupid things about him like his style of offense makes his teammates shoot bad, or his Melo-lite offense forces his teammates to have awkward roles...

And yet, these are things you don't understand. You prove that every time you use games like the NO game as a counterpoint to my statements (that were about a situation specific to that stretch in December, but whatever). Or when you overlook the fact that Leonard is better with a jump-shooting PG (that is a poor play-maker) and with jump-shooting bigs, as if the Spurs having to change the entire makeup of their team to account for their perimeter player banging in the post doesn't underscore why his offense (meaning the iso offense you love, not the three-point shooting, attacking when he has a favorable position and not just willy nilly that he has been showing for most of the season) makes it hard for guys to fit around him.

[YGWHI]

That you keep bringing up that Parker thread when it becomes more and more clear with each passing day that you were wrong just underscores how ty the discourse is with you.

This is so funny...Because the Spurs have Parker in the middle of an Indian Summer.

But that doesn't erase the fact that your thread ing about a streaking Parker getting the ball over letting Kawhi experimenting was just stupid playerfanning, and that you continue to show the same lack of perspective and even double down on it now.

Sure...Because Parker having less the ball in his hands/taking less shots=having a lower USG than last seasons has nothing to do with Kawhi improving his drives and overall offense in real game situations.

as if the Spurs having to change the entire makeup of their team to account for their perimeter player banging in the post doesn't underscore why his offense (meaning the iso offense you love, not the three-point shooting, attacking when he has a favorable position and not just willy nilly that he has been showing for most of the season) makes it hard for guys to fit around him.

Well, the Spurs changed their offense this season to allow Kawhi and LMA, not only Kawhi, to get more comfortable into the system with their mid-range shots and ISOs, and the changes will continue in next years.

I don't think other guys can't play their roles with Kawhi being dominant on offense but if that's true...better those guys to find a way to fit around him because he's a post-up player with a nice mid-j, our leading scorer, and the Spurs won't trade him next season.

[dabom]

You're still not getting it.

I'm not speaking of offensive production in general, but of perimeter offense scoring/playmaking. You can't expect Kawhi to carry the majority of the perimeter scoring load, the perimeter defense load, while being a much needed dribble-drive threat (which takes more energy). And as far as the starters go, he's only the only legit perimeter scorer that can create his own shot/collapse the defense other than Tony.

Who said anything about Tony taking more shots? When I say engine, I mean Tony is going to have to be someone who can break down a defense off the dribble and through penetration. Kawhi can't do everything, all the time on the perimeter. Tony needs to be that additional perimeter threat along with Kawhi among the starters.

Kevin Love.

[dabom]

See, this is your issue. You think anyone who doesn't agree with you hates Kawhi. The issue is you being an intellectually dishonest jackass with mine and other's quotes in an effort to semen shield Leonard. That you keep bringing up that Parker thread when it becomes more and more clear with each passing day that you were wrong just underscores how ty the discourse is with you.

I have never said Kawhi didn't drive and kick ever. I did show the highlights of last game (against NO) to show that Kawhi wasn't doing a particularly large amount of his damage through penetration. I would be an idiot to assert that Leonard didn't penetrate at all, because EVERY perimeter player does it from time to time. And Leonard's been getting better at it, which is only good news. But that doesn't erase the fact that your thread ing about a streaking Parker getting the ball over letting Kawhi experimenting was just stupid playerfanning, and that you continue to show the same lack of perspective and even double down on it now.



You have the burden of proof. It's clear that other guys struggled in the Pelicans games, even though Leonard (and Aldridge, but he's like an afterthought in his own thread now thanks to you), which goes against your assertion that they weren't struggling.



He seems to be improving just fine without Pop following your selfish playerfan gameplan. Again, everything Kawhi is doing now shows why your Parker thread was dumb. Kawhi, Parker and LMA have all taken turns being the dominant offensive players in games, and it hasn't hurt them.



And yet, these are things you don't understand. You prove that every time you use games like the NO game as a counterpoint to my statements (that were about a situation specific to that stretch in December, but whatever). Or when you overlook the fact that Leonard is better with a jump-shooting PG (that is a poor play-maker) and with jump-shooting bigs, as if the Spurs having to change the entire makeup of their team to account for their perimeter player banging in the post doesn't underscore why his offense (meaning the iso offense you love, not the three-point shooting, attacking when he has a favorable position and not just willy nilly that he has been showing for most of the season) makes it hard for guys to fit around him.

More efficient.

[BillMc]

At this stage of the season, this isn't even arguable. I love that article about his successful assimilation and how the proccess looks complete now.

He and Kawhi are going to be a dynamic duo for years to come. Good times.

[dabom]

My Bill always on point.

[houston spurs fan]

My Bill always on point.

Lol, Dabom looking for a daddy per par....

[Chinook]

This is so funny...Because the Spurs have Parker in the middle of an Indian Summer.

Parker had an Indian summer for like a month earlier in the season. Kobe had one last month. They aren't supposed to be permanent. So acting like what's going on in March negates what happened in December is ludicrous.

Sure...Because Parker having less the ball in his hands/taking less shots=having a lower USG than last seasons has nothing to do with Kawhi improving his drives and overall offense in real game situations.

It underscores why your concern was stupid. Parker having the ball in his hands and being good in December didn't hurt Kawhi's long-term development at all. Your thread was you PMSing about a temporary measure the Spurs took to take advantage of Parker having a throwback session. Parker was in the zone, the Spurs won. Parker faded, LMA took over, and the Spurs won. Kawhi is playing at post ASB levels, and the Spurs are winning. That all happened without players-only meetings or any other type of drama. That's because Kawhi isn't like his selfish player-fans. He understands he doesn't need to be the first option every game. He knows guys with the hot hands deserve the ball, and that it'll come back to him when the time is right.

Well, the Spurs changed their offense this season to allow Kawhi and LMA, not only Kawhi, to get more comfortable into the system with their mid-range shots and ISOs, and the changes will continue in next years.

Yes, and your emphasis is stupid. I never claimed LMA hasn't changed the offense, I've claimed that it has quite often. I'm glad you're acknowledging why those the other guys are having an awkward time fitting into roles, though.

I don't think other guys can't play their roles with Kawhi being dominant on offense but if that's true...better those guys to find a way to fit around him because he's a post-up player with a nice mid-j, our leading scorer, and the Spurs won't trade him next season.

They don't need to trade anybody. Again, you have no perspective. You're the one who's been complaining about Kawhi spotting up when other guys have good games. The Spurs are fine with it. Kawhi and LMA will need to share. Green will be fine so long as he get a certain amount of plays called for him. But when your cheerleader Dabom wants another center next to LMA, it shows his lack of understanding. You can't have a guy clog the paint and expect Kawhi or LMA to post up as efficiently. You can't have a pass-first PG if Kawhi is going to have the ball in his hands most of the time. The best you're going to get is the offense the Pacers rolled out while West was there. But even PG being a bona fide superstar didn't cover up how awkward their offense was.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol, Dabom looking for a daddy per par....

...

[dabom]

Lol, Dabom looking for a daddy per par....

You just mad Houston smells like dog farts.

[spursistan]

I know it is against ty teams, but Splitter would dream of having a stretch like this even if he jacks up his body with PEDS..I keep hoping LMA mans up against the big guns, tho..

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Yes

[HarlemHeat37]

I know it is against ty teams, but Splitter would dream of having a stretch like this even if he jacks up his body with PEDS..I keep hoping LMA mans up against the big guns, tho..

I hope this thread will be bumped one day after the Spurs play vs. a good team, bro..I sincerely hope so..