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    Well, the Ents reduced Isengard to a bowl of mud soup, kind of like lower New Orleans after Katrina. Saruman lost his Palantir, and him and Wormtongue were pretty much forced to flee Orthanc. Saruman knew that the Valar order would not give him the same chance to return to middle earth as they had with Gandalf because Saruman had done too much evil. Saruman had to try to save face, so he tried to start back from the bottom... what better place than Hobbiton, which had once housed the Ringbearer himself who recently had vanquished his master?
    I vaguely remember all that, but it still doesn't answer where his power went.

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    The eagles would've been corrupted by the ring themselves. The movies make them seem like mindless animals, kinda like horses, but they're self-aware like other races. Also, they kinda don't give a anyway
    Tolkien seemed to create a lot of these types of characters. Eagles, Ents, the Tom Bombadil... probably could think of others.

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    I vaguely remember all that, but it still doesn't answer where his power went.
    After Gandalf had returned as a White Wizard, he was made the Head of the Order of the Istari (Wizards). Therefore, Saruman's main power he held after that was the power he had built up (the army of 10k Uruk-hai, the Palantir, etc) and when all that was destroyed at Isengard and Helm's Deep, he was basically just another Radagast the Brown - esque wizard in terms of power.

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    Come again? How could you come even close to comparing those? Return of the King is 4 hours of incredible battles, TRULY beautiful visuals, and emotional climaxes. The only complaint I can understand is the ending and that's cause of awkward editing. All of those conclusions needed to be done but it was done so to where everyone now says "it has like 20 endings hurhurhur!" The first 3 and a half hours are flawless though
    Return of the king is 3 hours of battles and 1 final hour of midgets, long eared gots and others crying like little es. One hour long cryfest sucked

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    Do you even know what the you're talking about? Are you just trolling? The fact that you used a name makes me think you're serious
    Lol, don't be such a got about this. Serious question. I'm not a middle earth scholar like you. I don't have the 411 on every race. Seems like an easy solution to a big problem. Fly that mofo in and GTFO before Sauron knows what hit him.

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    Lol, don't be such a got about this. Serious question. I'm not a middle earth scholar like you. I don't have the 411 on every race. Seems like an easy solution to a big problem. Fly that mofo in and GTFO before Sauron knows what hit him.
    Ok, well that question has become somewhat of a meme over the years because it seems so obvious on first thought and because there's an easy answer. It the same reason why Gandalf, or even some elf or man warrior for that matter, didn't take it upon himself to take the ring. It's too tempting. Also, as Boromir even says at the counsel, "the great eye is ever watchful." A giant eagle flying into Mordor might draw some attention

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    Ok, well that question has become somewhat of a meme over the years because it seems so obvious on first thought and because there's an easy answer. It the same reason why Gandalf, or even some elf or man warrior for that matter, didn't take it upon himself to take the ring. It's too tempting. Also, as Boromir even says at the counsel, "the great eye is ever watchful." A giant eagle flying into Mordor might draw some attention
    Gandalf is a ing powerful wizard with probably the truest moral compass of the lot. It seems pretty foolhardy to send out some Hobbits to do the job in the first place.

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    I vaguely remember all that, but it still doesn't answer where his power went.
    Gandalf the White breaks his wand in the book, but Saruman still has his "gift of gab" so to speak to weasal his way back to the Shire with Wormtongue in tow.

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    Tbh I'm no scholar and the question why they didn't fly on some creature is pretty simple for me. It's basically the same thing as asking why we can't fly to mars. We have the means and technology. But nobody ever did that so to be the first has its risks. What if you lose the damn ring midflight? What if a troll archer is waiting for you? Best thing to so is to move the ring through the shadows tbqh

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    Tbh I'm no scholar and the question why they didn't fly on some creature is pretty simple for me. It's basically the same thing as asking why we can't fly to mars. We have the means and technology. But nobody ever did that so to be the first has its risks. What if you lose the damn ring midflight? What if a troll archer is waiting for you? Best thing to so is to move the ring through the shadows tbqh
    No ing way. They should have sent several eagles in waves, each with a riding Hobbit. Then have the Hobbit with the ring fly in after a couple of waves had gone.

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    No ing way. They should have sent several eagles in waves, each with a riding Hobbit. Then have the Hobbit with the ring fly in after a couple of waves had gone.
    Right

    That operation sounds very realistic

    Who's going to logistically support that? A bunch of midgets in armor?

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    I already answered why. You stupid s are collaborating on this ty thread

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    Right

    That operation sounds very realistic

    Who's going to logistically support that? A bunch of midgets in armor?
    We're talking about the fate of middle earth and regular earth. Every creatur approached bought in to the cause. Why would it be unbelievable that they all wouldn't be onboard?

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    I already answered why. You stupid s are collaborating on this ty thread
    Then get the out. God forbid that holes get poked into your damn favorite movies.

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    We're talking about the fate of middle earth and regular earth. Every creatur approached bought in to the cause. Why would it be unbelievable that they all wouldn't be onboard?
    the fate of millions is at stake in Syria yet the world powers won't work together to avoid their deaths. what makes you think that the factions in Middle Earth are any different??

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    the fate of millions is at stake in Syria yet the world powers won't work together to avoid their deaths. what makes you think that the factions in Middle Earth are any different??
    because nobody cares about the Syrian people

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    the fate of millions is at stake in Syria yet the world powers won't work together to avoid their deaths. what makes you think that the factions in Middle Earth are any different??
    I guess because every one in Middle Earth that was approached went ahead with helping the plan. I think they could find enough willing Hobbits and Eagles to execute the plan from my earlier post.

    If not, then Gandalf might have to threaten a few to get them to go along.

    And really, why doesn't Gandalf just do some more wizard stuff to get rid of the ring. Or create an army like Saruman and march that thing across Middle Earth to do the job.

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    I guess because every one in Middle Earth that was approached went ahead with helping the plan. I think they could find enough willing Hobbits and Eagles to execute the plan from my earlier post.
    Hobbits are basically the rednecks of Middle earth. Mother ers won't move a finger unless a giant is about to step on their offspring. They would basically ignore Gandalf and carry on with their lives.

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    Hobbits are basically the rednecks of Middle earth. Mother ers won't move a finger unless a giant is about to step on their offspring. They would basically ignore Gandalf and carry on with their lives.
    Ok. Then he needs to threaten them.

    But again, he's a wizard. Why not just animate some clay statutes and send them in on the Eagles?

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    Ok. Then he needs to threaten them.

    But again, he's a wizard. Why not just animate some clay statutes and send them in on the Eagles?
    Hobbits would just hide in their hole.

    I doubt an eagle would let a clay statue touch them.

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    Hobbits would just hide in their hole.

    I doubt an eagle would let a clay statue touch them.
    well then, I guess Gandalf is either incompetent or dumb for a wizard. Or both.

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    Ok, well that question has become somewhat of a meme over the years because it seems so obvious on first thought and because there's an easy answer. It the same reason why Gandalf, or even some elf or man warrior for that matter, didn't take it upon himself to take the ring. It's too tempting. Also, as Boromir even says at the counsel, "the great eye is ever watchful." A giant eagle flying into Mordor might draw some attention

    I've read that the Eagles are kinda like Bombadil in the sense that they stay out of MEs affairs. Maybe they were asked and gave everyone the finger? But what you sad makes sense I guess. Seeing a flight of Eagles coming into Mordor would draw some attention.

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    the fate of millions is at stake in Syria yet the world powers won't work together to avoid their deaths. what makes you think that the factions in Middle Earth are any different??
    Possibly because they faced a common enemy unlike we do here today?

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    Possibly because they faced a common enemy unlike we do here today?
    ISIS is not a common enemy???

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    ISIS is not a common enemy???
    no...not like Saruman. The relationship between Muslims and non-Mulsims is like the relationship between Hobbits and Trolls. Even though in normal times, Trolls will kill Hobbits, if there is an enemy that will threaten the whole world, then they will unite.

    Saruman and his army are more like if aliens from outer space started to invade the world.

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