pres candidate john mcafee. says can hack san bernardino attackers iphone in 3 weeks

[hater]

Well my respects to apple tbh. I might have to get an iPhone if that's the case

I am pretty sure my windows phone is the same way. I learned the hard way Wonder if chingsung phones also?

My point is why they can't completely separate the storage unit from the rest and plug it in to a device that will try different combinations. Basically a modern Touring machine that would try to hack nazi codes.

Sure it would take time. But welcome to encryption 101.,this has been existing for decades. It's nothing new.

Crazy that the BI makes it seem apple invented encryption dumb assses

[hater]

FBI's latest quote: "the door is there, we just want apple to remove the ferocious dog that is guarding ot"

they literally said that

Might as well go like the guy in menace to society and say "I'll suck yo diiiick...."

[baseline bum]

LOL how does McAfee not know what a ing hash function is?

[pgardn]

That's how it's designed. The "pin" they're trying to hack is hashed, then encrypted with an AES key that's fused into the CPU at first run, and that Apple doesn't have and the OS can't read out.

The two options are:
1) Run all combinations of the pins until it unlocks on the actual device (with the caveat that the OS slows down attempts after a certain number of incorrect guesses and/or deletes the data after a certain number of incorrect guesses)
2) Extract the key by other means (costly, time consuming, likely destroys the chip in the process and it's not 100% foolproof).

Pretty sure the FBI already imaged the encrypted flash. They could even prevent the data erasure with a hardware flash sim or locking up the chip. The slowdown though has to be worked around from the OS.

I'm also pretty sure they can do 2), but it's costly, time consuming and because it doesn't always yield results, not the preferred route, especially if they can get a court to order Apple to write what basically amounts to a bootable s that gives them unfettered access to the hardware AES engine (which uses the fused key).

The OP does not care.

He wants someone to be a badass.

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Hater enjoys comic book characters and special powers.

[boutons_deux]

FBI Admits It Urged Change Of Apple ID Password For Terrorist’s iPhone

The Apple ID password linked to the iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino terrorists was changed soon after the government took possession of the device, Apple, San Bernardino County, and federal officials have acknowledged over the past 48 hours.

If that password change hadn’t happened, senior Apple executives said on Friday afternoon, a backup of the information the government was seeking may have been accessible.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkows...ust#.xa08POB9A

[ElNono]

"As shown above, even with a supercomputer, it would take 1 billion billion years to crack the 128-bit AES key using brute force attack. This is more than the age of the universe (13.75 billion years)."

http://www.eetimes.com/do ent.asp?doc_id=1279619

The CPU UID key is a 256-bit AES key. That's double of the above.

The "storage unit" (flash) is always encrypted with a random 256-bit AES key, even when there's no pin. When there's no pin, that "storage AES key" is written out on the flash and readily readable off it.

When there's a pin, the pin is hashed and encrypted with the CPU UID key, then that is used as a key to encrypt the "storage AES key" which is then stored in the flash.

It's a clever design, because it allows:
1) Change the pin anytime without having to decrypt and re-encrypt the storage
2) A full device erase can be done immediately by simply generating a new "storage EAS key" (changing just 256 bits, 32 bytes, wipes the device).
3) Brute forcing a pin can only be done in-device (unless the CPU UID is extracted by other means)

Obviously Apple didn't invent this, but arguably they did make it massively popular due to their phones using it.

Only recently Google has started to have devices with secure boot chains, but the fact you can root almost any phone makes it difficult to know which one has backdoors or not.

[hater]

Well they said nazi codes would never be broken. IMO breaking it just takes intellect and time. Too bad the FBI does not have either. Especially the intellect

[ElNono]

With the advent of computers, it's a mathematical question now. Funnily though, AES is the encryption standard NIST picked in 2001 to secure all federal government information after a 5 year compe ion... and the only cipher ever approved by the NSA to transmit TOP SECRET data.

[ChumpDumper]

Well they said nazi codes would never be broken. IMO breaking it just takes intellect and time. Too bad the FBI does not have either. Especially the intellect

So how many iPhones has McAfee unlocked so far?

Should be an expert by now.

[hater]

No need to attack the storage unit itself. I would make an exact replica at the molecular level using infrared, molecular microscopes and a 3d printer.

Then its all zeros and ones.

[pgardn]

No need to attack the storage unit itself. I would make an exact replica at the molecular level using infrared, molecular microscopes and a 3d printer.

Then its all zeros and ones.

Exact replica at the molecular level using a 3D printer?

What? Please explain?

You have invented a 3D printer that can reproduce molecules exactly?
Where did you get this from, something has been lost in translation?

[hater]

Btw it blows my mind that FBI is still trying trying to get at the data by going through the stock OS. Thats basically the first step a college grad would take to get in a phone ing primitive

cant they build a hacked phone and physically move the storage units from that phone to it??? And then try brute force algos??? Are they really this re ed?

I was ing right. Experts have basically now described what I did in this post weeks ago

I should be in charge of an IT mega company and not a cartel TBQH

Over a video link appearance at Blueprint for a Great Democracy conference on Tuesday, Snowden took Apple’s side.

“That's Horse ! The FBI says Apple has the ‘exclusive technical means’ to unlock the phone,” Snowden told the audience from Moscow. “Respectfully, that’s horse sh*t.”

Snowden later tweeted a link to an American Civil Liberties Union blog post led “One of the FBI’s Major Claims in the iPhone Case Is Fraudulent,” which argues that the government doesn’t actually need Apple’s help to bypass the “auto-erase” feature on the iPhone in question.

"This sentiment echoes that of many tech experts, as well as some lawmakers.

At a hearing last week, Representative Darrell Issa, a California Republican who made his fortune in electronic car alarms, asked FBI Director James Comey if he considered the possibility of creating enough copies of the phone’s data to try hundreds of passwords. Apple likely wouldn’t have objected to this simple method, and the FBI couldn’t answer why they didn’t consider it."

[ElNono]

Pretty sure the FBI already imaged the encrypted flash. They could even prevent the data erasure with a hardware flash sim or locking up the chip. The slowdown though has to be worked around from the OS.

Already pointed out here... they still need to run the brute force on the device... which would take some time for 9999 passwords, but could be done.

Again, this has nothing to do with this particular phone, the FBI simply wants a court precedent...

[hater]

Already pointed out here... they still need to run the brute force on the device... which would take some time for 9999 passwords, but could be done.

Again, this has nothing to do with this particular phone, the FBI simply wants a court precedent...

yup my point is you can copy the data many hundreds or thousand times over and run parallel algos. cut down time immensely. Especially if you run smart algos that will try the most likely passwords first. (dates, addresses, etc)

[ElNono]

yup my point is you can copy the data many hundreds or thousand times over and run parallel algos. cut down time immensely. Especially if you run smart algos that will try the most likely passwords.

Nah, you can't do that in this case. You have to run it on the device. The device will:

- Let you try 3 codes
- Wait one minute
- Let you try 2 codes
- Wait 5 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 10 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 15 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 30 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 60 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Erase

When it erases, they can either block the erase or reflash the image back and continue going through it.

Basically, that allows you to test 10 codes every 2 hours. That's 5 codes an hour, or for the entire 10000 codes range = 2000 hours = 83 days (worst case)

In a nuts , they probably already have this device unlocked by now. The fact they could do this was never a question, but what they really want isn't just access to this device, but a court precedent so they can access the devices much quicker and at will.

Also of note is that while this particular device has a 4 number pin, iPhones now allow you to enter 6 or even any size codes, which makes this impracticable going forward.

Trying to crack the AES256 key outside the device takes a couple billion years, even with parallel computers.

[ChumpDumper]

lol hater

[ElNono]

You could even accelerate the process by reflashing and rebooting before the 60 min wait period... probably can cut down the time needed in half...

[hater]

Nah, you can't do that in this case. You have to run it on the device. The device will:

- Let you try 3 codes
- Wait one minute
- Let you try 2 codes
- Wait 5 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 10 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 15 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 30 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Wait 60 minutes
- Let you try 1 code
- Erase

When it erases, they can either block the erase or reflash the image back and continue going through it.

Basically, that allows you to test 10 codes every 2 hours. That's 5 codes an hour, or for the entire 10000 codes range = 2000 hours = 83 days (worst case)

In a nuts , they probably already have this device unlocked by now. The fact they could do this was never a question, but what they really want isn't just access to this device, but a court precedent so they can access the devices much quicker and at will.

Also of note is that while this particular device has a 4 number pin, iPhones now allow you to enter 6 or even any size codes, which makes this impracticable going forward.

Trying to crack the AES256 key outside the device takes a couple billion years, even with parallel computers.

that's the point. you don't run it on the device.

[ElNono]

that's the point. you don't run it on the device.

Can't do that*. What you can do is avoid the auto-erase, which is what Snowden was pointing out. The CPU holds the key.

*(you only can if you can extract the key from the CPU, but that could destroy the key in the process, or if you take a couple billion years to try to crack the 256 bit key, which is impractical as there's a quicker way).

But in this particular case, hacking it on the device, even with the delay, is not insurmountable or even really that bad. The suspect is dead, there's no ticking time bomb.

[ChumpDumper]

lol hater

[MultiTroll]

He says his team of hackers can hack the san Bernardino iPhone in less than 3 weeks or else he will eat his own shoe in live television. On Neil Cavutos show

Has pussy assed Apple commented?
FBI?

[hater]

Can't do that*. What you can do is avoid the auto-erase, which is what Snowden was pointing out. The CPU holds the key.

*(you only can if you can extract the key from the CPU, but that could destroy the key in the process, or if you take a couple billion years to try to crack the 256 bit key, which is impractical as there's a quicker way).

But in this particular case, hacking it on the device, even with the delay, is not insurmountable or even really that bad. The suspect is dead, there's no ticking time bomb.

I still believe you can.

And even if you try onto the CPU, you can adjust electromagnetic forces on the CPU to adjust its clock to whatever speed you want. You could speed up the delay to a second or 2

[pgardn]

Exact replica at the molecular level using a 3D printer?

What? Please explain?

You have invented a 3D printer that can reproduce molecules exactly?
Where did you get this from, something has been lost in translation?

You are always making crazy up without understanding.

You are a superhero worshipper.
If something appears fantastic it must be.

[DisAsTerBot]

lmao hater. thread backfire

[ElNono]

lol @ electromagnetic overclocking...

it's not uncommon to hear peeps talk about magical pixie dust that's gonna undo math or the laws of physics though, the unknown always bring creativity, especially if mixed in with a joint, or in mcafee's case prescription drugs and alcohol, tbh...