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    Lol changing what? If US stays out of the way of course ISIS can be defeated. Problem is they wont.

    Reading comprehension, I recommend it
    Explain how this will be done then?
    Must be easy. The use of the epic Chechens?

    How will Russia defeat ISIS?

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    Explain how this will be done then?
    Must be easy. The use of the epic Chechens?

    How will Russia defeat ISIS?
    It's logical. Any decent ground force with help from a superior air force wins over a group of disorganized guys that are not even a real army. Most of the radicals have just been handed weapons and many are just there for the paycheck.

    Come on now. Think

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    It's logical. Any decent ground force with help from a superior air force wins over a group of disorganized guys that are not even a real army. Most of the radicals have just been handed weapons and many are just there for the paycheck.

    Come on now. Think
    So what decent ground force in this immense area? Backed by Russian air? Like they can do more than the US?

    read the Washington post assessment again.
    You are acting like some overstuffed US general. Go ahead Mr. Rumsfeld/Cheney, tell us how weak the opponent is.

    You have failed to site your reading sources because you just flat out make up. Decent ground force... Who is gonna die for this that has a decent ground force.

    Sources please with an explanation how ISIS will be defeated.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...205_story.html

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    Assads forces of course. Already stated this a few times. Do you have memory problems?

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    Assads forces of course. Already stated this a few times. Do you have memory problems?
    Assads forces can't take back Syria as they are. They have been decimated by defection and 4 years of war.

    Read:


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...205_story.html

    The above actually paints a rosy picture ( compared to US govt.) as Russians with a stake are interviewed.
    And if you disagree give me your sources.
    Dont claim you are assessing things on the ground Mr. Cheney.

    So AGAIN Sources for your claims.

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    2 words. Air support.

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    2 words. Air support.
    First Commander Hater with the goods.

    Just happily making up in his head.

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    UN human rights fail: Saudi Arabia to ‘investigate themselves’ over Yemen war crimes



    Ajamu Baraka: The Saudi proposal was a de-politicized proposal that in effect gave the Saudi authorities the right to investigate themselves. It was an outrageous decision made by the UN Human Rights Council. The Saudis were able to achieve something that even the Israelis were unable to achieve and that is to stop this body from carrying out its responsibility to protect the Charter and to protect the human life and human rights.

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    The default U.S. response from the start has been to take the Saudis’ side when the only justifiable and appropriate response in the case of Yemen is American neutrality. There is no question that lending U.S. backing to the war–and to subsequent diplomatic efforts to cover up the crimes committed in that war–has made the campaign easier and less costly for the Saudis and their allies than it would have otherwise been. It is possible that the Saudis and their allies might not be able to keep the campaign going in the absence of U.S. backing. Even if they can, the U.S. has no business participating in such an unnecessary and atrocious war. U.S. involvement isn’t merely the wrong response based on flawed assumptions, but it is also directly contributing to the ruin of another country and their people that have done nothing to the U.S. There is nothing admirable in taking sides in a war in which the U.S. has nothing at stake. As we are seeing in Yemen, it just means that the U.S. is assisting ugly client regimes as they lay waste to an impoverished country and starve its inhabitants.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-taking-sides/

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    “The designation of large, heavily populated areas as military targets and the repeated targeting of civilian homes are telling examples revealing the coalition forces’ flagrant failure to take sufficient precautions to avoid civilian loss of life as required by international humanitarian law,” said Donatella Rovera.

    Overall at least 59 children were killed in the 13 airstrikes do ented by Amnesty International in the Sa’da region between May and July 2015, many of them while they were playing outside their homes, others while sleeping.

    In one airstrike on 13 June 2015 at a home in Dammaj valley in al-Safra, coalition forces killed eight children and two women from the same family and injured seven other relatives.


    Amnesty International researchers also found remnants of two types of cluster bombs, BLU-97 sub-munitions and their carrier (CBU-97) and the more sophisticated CBU-105 Sensor Fuzed Weapon. Cluster bombs, which are banned under international law, scatter scores of bomblets over a wide area. Many of the bomblets fail to explode upon impact, posing an ongoing deadly threat to anyone who comes into contact with them.

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    what was, is the AC's position the Repugs' laying waste to Iraq and Afghanistan?

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    what was, is the AC's position the Repugs' laying waste to Iraq and Afghanistan?
    AC's editorial line is anti-imperial in the Taftian sense, i.e., consistently antiwar. Larison was against both.

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    you're not too familiar with AC, are you boutons?

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    US help has been bad for Yemen, bad for its government, bad for Saudi Arabia and bad for the USA:

    The Saudi-led intervention has been going on for over eleven months, and in that time it has failed in all of its stated objectives. The Houthis have not been driven from the capital, the former president has not be restored to power (not that most Yemenis would want him there now anyway), and the intervention certainly hasn’t produced the stability that the Saudis laughably claimed to be bringing. Those objectives were never realistic to begin with, and restoring Hadi and driving out the Houthis were not going to be achieved at a remotely acceptable cost. Since the intervention began, the people of Yemen have been put through , thousands have been killed, tens of thousands injured, and hundreds of thousands displaced internally or forced to flee the country. Far from making Saudi Arabia more secure, the intervention has exposed southern Saudi territories to attack.


    Yemenis have been sorely deprived of basic necessities for almost an entire year thanks to the Saudi-led blockade, and the majority of the population is starving or at great risk of doing so. At least four-fifths of the population is in need of humanitarian assistance. The country’s health care system has all but collapsed, medical facilities are coming under repeated attack (including repeated bombings by coalition aircraft), medicine and fuel are in short supply, and the lack of access to clean water has made the spread of disease much worse. Every problem Yemen had before the intervention has grown far worse than it was, and the country’s infrastructure has been wrecked by the coalition bombing campaign that the U.S. supports. The Saudis and their allies continue trying to carry out a failed strategy in a bad cause, and it doesn’t appear that they will stop anytime soon.


    Since the Saudis and their allies started pummeling Yemen with indiscriminate bombing and the use of inherently indiscriminate cluster munitions last March, the U.S. has been reliably backing the Saudis in this unnecessary and indefensible war with weapons, refueling, and intelligence. The U.S. has helped the Saudis to whitewash and obscure their crimes, and the Obama administration has done this despite credible reports from multiple human rights organizations and the U.N. that the Saudi-led coalition is likely guilty of war crimes and possibly even crimes against humanity. It isn’t just Yemenis who can see no moral or legal justification for what has been done to their country, for there is no justification for it to be found. The U.S. should immediately halt its deplorable support for this war and apply whatever pressure it can to get the Saudis and their allies to stop the intervention.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-war-on-yemen/

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    in war, all sides losing is not only possible, it's a likely result. talk of winning and losing is mostly an ideological veneer.

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    While you are arguing ideological generalities that barely mean anything, the Houthis and Sauds are negotiating.

    Saudi and Yemenis freed in prisoner swap deal

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...172248365.html

    Saudi Arabia has released seven Yemeni prisoners in exchange for one of its soldiers, the kingdom's news agency reported.

    The report on Wednesday marked the first announced prisoner swap since a coalition of Arab countries went to war against rebels in Yemen nearly a year ago.

    The swap and an apparent truce along the Saudi-Yemen border follows unprecedented talks between the sides.
    Here is the article from a couple days when they started talking.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...144937532.html

    A delegation from the Houthi group is in Saudi Arabia for talks on ending the conflict in Yemen, two senior Yemeni officials say.

    The visit, reported on Tuesday, is the first of its kind since the war began in March last year between the Iran-allied Houthi forces and an Arab military coalition assembled by Saudi Arabia.

    The visit began on Monday at the invitation of Saudi authorities, following a week of secret preparatory talks, said the two senior officials from the administrative body that runs parts of Yemen controlled by the Houthis.

    The officials - both members of the Houthi-run Revolutionary Committee - conflrmed that the talks were taking place.

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    history up until a couple of days ago isn't an ideological generality. that said, thanks for the post.

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    also, the inception of talks ain't necessarily the end of the war.

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    history up until a couple of days ago isn't an ideological generality. that said, thanks for the post.
    I was talking about you and your articles. Moral qualitative words like "good" and "bad" are inherently ideological. Indefensible? Only relative to obvious bias. What is sad is that the peace talks are going on and you couldn't even be bothered to notice.

    It's better than the neo-fascist stupidity at least. To speak to your point above in that context: tyrants and their methods are nothing new.

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    We are guilty of letting sectarian violence break free by thinking we could remove dictators and Democracy would flourish. Nice wishful thinking but very naive.

    But this is not the subject at hand. You just make up . You think things will tidy up if some other power comes in like Russia. That's just dreaming unless as I stated before they are willing to decimate areas from the air and ground. If they go in and try to preferentially remove ISIS while sparing civilians they will face exactly what we have in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    You think merely saying Russia and then posting pictures of Chechen troops is gonna solve things. I don't know what you are on.

    What makes you think Assad backed by Russia aren't willing to do exactly that?

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    I was talking about you and your articles. Moral qualitative words like "good" and "bad" are inherently ideological.
    what's wrong with value judgments?

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    what's wrong with value judgments?
    other than being completely subjective and inflexible?

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    are you saying it makes no sense to judge decisions by their objective outcomes, which can be better or worse for the parties involved?

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    other than being completely subjective and inflexible?
    is there some value-free standpoint from which to judge things?

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    and is that what you claim to be doing?

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