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I'd say he's a Top 1 All-Time Defender, actually.
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I believe he is for these (and many more) reasons:
1.) Nobody has been as much of an impact defender for as long as he has.
2.) He's been the anchor of the biggest defensive juggernaut since Bill Russell's Celtics.
3.) He was instrumental in the Spurs holding opponents to a field goal % of .4016, which is an NBA record.
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I'd say he's a Top 1 All-Time Defender, actually.
Always going to be underrated because of bowen
I think so but you aren't really going to get unbiased opinions here......
Agree. And his adaptability is amazing. What he does with literally one working leg is unseen. It shows that you don't need athleticism to be good on D (long hands, brains and timing).
Best ever
Good point.
NBA/ABA (which matches the NBA list till Artis Gilmore at #11) Career 93.92Defensive Win Shares
1) 133.64 Bill Russell
2) 105.72 Tim Duncan
3) 94.49 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4) 94.47 Hakeem Olajuwon
5) 93.92 Wilt Chamberlain
That fits my eye test.
10) David Robinson
11) Artis Gilmore
29) Moses Malone
39) Dennis Rodman
44) Caldwell Jones
57) Kevin Willis
74) Robert Horry
76) Manu Ginobili
81) Tony Parker
84) Kurt Thomas
109) Antonio McDyess
119) David West
140) Dominique Wilkins
149) Bruce Bowen late peak
150) Billy Paultz
159) Mychal Thompson
161) Doc Rivers
163) Tyrone Corbin
170) Richard Jefferson
175) George Johnson
183) Louie Dampier
187) Andre Miller
189) Alvin Robertson
190) Hedo Turkoglu
197) Theo Ratliff
215) Larry Kenon
227) LaMarcus Aldridge
229) George Gervin
235) Michael Finley
241) Paul Pressey
Honorable mention, on NBA only list:
248) Boris Diaw
he's either 1 or 2. depending on what u think of Bill Russell's nba era.
That's fine with me.
Yes. Sadly, he won't ever be recognized as such because he never won a DPOY Award.
Which is criminal......he should have at least 4 of those trophies!!
Spurs as Spurs, career Defensive Win Shares, top 5, then current Spurs
1) Tim Duncan
2) David Robinson
3) Manu Ginobili
4) Tony Parker
5) Bruce Bowen
10) Kawhi Leonard
14) Danny Green
20) Matt Bonner
30) Boris Diaw
51) Patty Mills
83) LaMarcus Aldridge
Yes, and beyond the eye test you have a world of objective data that supports the idea. How he isn't sporting a MINIMUM of 2 DPOY awards is sickening when so many overrated "great" defenders (Gasol, Camby, Ibaka, Jordan, etc) who were/are good at certain things but were never complete defenders are hyped FAR more than timmy EVER was. He should've either won it or shared it with B. Wallace in 2004, and outright won it in 2007 (Camby lol) and 2013 (Gasol...good but overrated as ).
I couldn't have said it better.
Never flashy or thuggish enough like Ben Wallace in TD's prime but just as effective...
he is an easy top 5 imo
in the mix, you have: russel (even though it's quite easy to look a great defender when you play an era full of short white dudes tbh), Hakeem, David, Pippen, Rodman, Wallace, Garnett.
only peak years add in it Lebron, Bruce, Dikembe, MJ but those guys did not do it for so long ... Kawhi is right there too
Payton is always cited in that list but it is more to get a PG down there than for defense value imho... quite overrated tbh
He was never the best individual defender or put up the best "defensive numbers," but Duncan is the greatest team defender in NBA history. The advanced statistics, team statistics and his career numbers bare that out. Like much of his career/legacy, he'll never get the credit he deserves but he is the greatest team defender in NBA history.
People are also going to look at kawhi who looks like hes on his way for a dpoy repeat and thats going to affect him negatively on defence too..
Tim Duncan led the league in Defensive Win Shares five years:
1998, 1999, 2001, 2006, 2007.
Ben Wallace led in 2004, Paul George in 2013, and Andre Drummond in 2015.
2004 Duncan was third behind Wallace and Garnett
2013 Duncan was fourth behind George, M.Gasol and Durant
2015 Leonard was second behind Drummond (Aldridge was 8th).
Wow! Number 2 to a guy that played against mildly athletic midgets with the exception of Wilt is pretty impressive.
Defensive win shares is not a great metrics to judge individual defensive impact tbh
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