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Any defensive list where Dominique Wilkins is ahead of Bruce loses a very large amount of credibility
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Dominique? Richard Jefferson?
Any defensive list where Dominique Wilkins is ahead of Bruce loses a very large amount of credibility
Tim is a very underrated, outstanding defender but cmon on the top 5 all time thing. You gotta get at least one DPOY.
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Garnett, Ben Wallace, & Tim are the best defenders of their generation by a country mile. (Bowen was just a 1-on-1 defender & Artest had a short run)
Tim/Pippen are the best defenders to never win DPOY.
Then I'll play the eye test.
I saw Russell play most of his career.
I've seen Duncan, since his first game at Wake Forest. Duncan was wow! good the first time he dominated Eric Montrose.
Russell always looked better.
BTW, have you ever read "tbh" is a post and didn't immediately deduct honesty posts?
Me neither.
Nothing in your post deserved to be diminished by "tbh."
Last edited by Drom John; 03-10-2016 at 04:51 PM.
Long careers, weak as Spurs.
Dominique as a Hawk, and Jefferson as a Net were solid.
Anybody unaware of how unused and unimpressive Bowen was till his last year in Miami is probably a Spur homer who cannot distinguish rate stats from counting stats.
Bowen as a Spur was great. But Bruce's career was relatively short. Wilkins as a Spur, not so great.
As you remember watching the young Dominique in Atlanta, 'Nique was pretty impressive defensively. Moderately active, with hands in the right place. Can't think of a Spur, but a more interior Kevin Durant isn't far off. 57th all-time in steals, Bowen not in top #250. #182 all-time in blocks, Bowen not top #250.
I'll take Bowen's best years, but there's not many of them. There were many more pretty good Wilkins years.
Duncans defense is definitely underrated due to him never winning a Defensive player of the year award.
Check out the 1:40 mark of the video below. One of my favorite defensive sequences that I can remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPfyrPz66IE
holy you must be old as
I don't make the argument either that Tim is not better than Russel... as I said Russel is quite overrated due to era he played... was just noticing that defensive win shares kinda suck... even though I have no issue with putting Duncan from 1 to 3/4
BTW When I see tbh I immediately deduct person is more honest tbh
Big Dummy, Win-Shares are ulative.
Bowen played 24052 minutes & Nique played 38113 minutes so there is a difference of 14000 minutes which is more than half the total amount of minutes Bowen played in his ENTIRE career.
Essentially, Bowen would have had a DWS of over 50 if he played the same amount of minutes as Nique.
Damn straight
Homer thread is homer
Duncan is also #2 all time in career defensive rating.
Not really because he's way past his prime now that Kawhi is in his.
I don't believe the Bowen argument either. He was more of a fan favorite among Spurs fans and an enemy of a few star players, but otherwise most people are not going to remember him. Without Duncan, he was a nobody.
big dummy that's exactly my point...
Tony Parker
Kareem was a sh**y defender (at least in certain match-ups); and he's listed 3rd overall.
Characterizing him as a top 5 all time defender is kind of an insult. He's easily top two, and there's an easy case to be made that he's GOAT by a wide margin.
When he retires, the NBA should name the DPOY trophy after him.
That is a brilliant idea!
I believe that too, I was just being cautious.
I see a 3rd person voted no.
I guess your ass doesn't know elementary math such as long division.big dummy that's exactly my point...
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