Last night's game from Parker was an example of how he needs to be that 3rd scorer

[dabom]

I'm done with this thread. too many Low IQ posters especially OP.

[midnightpulp]

If Tony was not going game 6 manu 2013 for like 6 games we win easy.

Move on from last year, brah. I even made a thread right after that game 7 indicting Tony's performance as the worst in NBA history.

And yeah, him not playing like bag is good enough to beat the Jazz, Rockets, or whoever we get in the 1st round. Probably good enough to beat the Thunder. The Warriors, however, are a different story. We need LMA, Kawhi, and Tony to score like they did tonight, along with the bench not playing like ass.

[pgardn]

We also need 2005 Manu.

We need that Manu.

You see how it doesn't make sense?

Your are an idiot.
We could use a younger Tony as well. He is 33. But he is still a threat to penetrate and give us options outside of post ups and the LMA jump shot.

We must have the option of breaking down a defense.
If you can't see this you can't be helped.
Kwahi is not Lebron. He can't run a threatening penetrating set offense. You just don't get basketball, you never have shown any inclination towards understanding this game because you are a troll.

Just stop posting.

[ElNono]

The concern again is that he let the moore/galloway of the league to drop 20 on him... so his scoring at least offset that last night... but the assists were nice.

[midnightpulp]

All our players are deadly. Not just 2.

Danny Green is shooting .380 from the field and can't even finish a 2 on 1 fast break.

Tim Duncan is averaging 4.3 points in his last 5 games.

Manu is averaging 5.3 points since his return, despite having a 22 point game.

Boris is still fat and seems disinterested.

West is indeed steady and efficient, but not someone who is going to go Robert Horry Game 5 at this stage in his career.

Mills is just "kind of" deadly, true to the Eddie House sparkplug style.

All of the Spurs players are deadly.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Last night was the way Parker was playing the first couple of months in the season. Over the past month he was reverting back to the Old Parker. If he looks to pass before he shoots, the Spurs are unstoppable. But when he dribbles around looking to shot before the pass, the Spurs offense becomes stuck in the Mud.

[pgardn]

The concern again is that he let the moore/galloway of the league to drop 20 on him... so his scoring at least offset that last night... but the assists were nice.

The concern is that he can't even make the opposing PG work. Fast Tony can. We will thrash the Clippers of last year with the fast version.

I dont really care about him dropping 20 pts. I care about him being enough of a threat to displace defenses. If the scoring and assists follow directly, good deal. Eventually the opposition will feel the legs having to really concentrate on D instead of just waiting for a rebound outlet.

[Kool Bob Love]

2nd greatest spur of all time

[UZER]

33 year old Tony needs to facilitate first, then his threat level rises and the scoring comes. He sucks and the team suffers greatly when he's does it the other way around.

And he needs to facilitate with the new core. That TD TP pnr should not be his go to play call. Very rarely and in the right spots, sure, but he needs to let that one go.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

I don't think we played at a particular high level with him so ball-dominant in this game.

The simple counting stats often lie + his defense was god awful.

The sad truth is that we will struggle against the best teams if very ball-dominant Parker goes assist and basket whoring rather than running the system, give more room to the best players individually and all that at the expense of giving great effort on the defensive end.

Ball-dominant Tony Parker is one of the team's most dangerous pit-falls and hopefully a somewhat successful game like this, at least on the surface, won't encourage it further.

[EVAY]

There was a stat that I saw last night on Ptr after this site went down. Leonard was on track for another 25 point night, his 6th of the last 8 games, or 7th of the last 9 after last night, I guess.

Most 25 point games by a Spur since 2011:

Parker - 50

Leonard - 23 (including last night's)

Duncan - 21

The notable thing about all of this is that Tony has had a lot of big scoring nights. Last night he had 9 assists in the first half and did most of his scoring in the second half, ending with 12 assists.

Tony was rested last night. It showed.

He has been playing like he was in molasses.

Virtually everyone on here has said how much he needs to rest. It looks to me like he could use more rest more frequently, like is done for Tim and Manu. That may be why Miller is here.

This year he is playing third offensive threat behind Kawhi and LaMarcus. Less pressure on him to do all the scoring, but after he gets those guys going and the defense hones in on them, then the floor is opened up for guys like Parker and others.

He had a great game last night. Anyone who wants to diminish his contribution last night by focusing on what he has or hasn't done some other time, or what the offense against him did last night, is betraying a player-hatred agenda that is beneath a team fan. Overt or passive-aggressive, it's still hate.

[EVAY]

I don't think we played at a particular high level with him so ball-dominant in this game.

The simple counting stats often lie + his defense was god awful.

The sad truth is that we will struggle against the best teams if very ball-dominant Parker goes assist and basket whoring rather than running the system, give more room to the best players individually and all that at the expense of giving great effort on the defensive end.

Ball-dominant Tony Parker is one of the team's most dangerous pit-falls and hopefully a somewhat successful game like this, at least on the surface, won't encourage it further.

"Assist AND Basket whoring"? Seriously? You gonna fault him for dishing dimes and scoring when he is the pg of the team? Seriously?

[pgardn]

"Assist AND Basket whoring"? Seriously? You gonna fault him for dishing dimes and scoring when he is the pg of the team? Seriously?

If last nite was Assist and basket whoring, then that's what we need if that's what Bleeding Mouths want to label it.

[mookie2001]

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

[Mouth is Bleeding]

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

Indeed.

This game from Tony was a little bit too far into Rondo-territory where the focus on his assists and ball-dominance is at the expense of the team's overall level of play not least because Rondo/Tony with this self imposed burden on offence then can not or will not do anything worthwhile on the defensive end and give up as much or much more than what they selfishly create on the offense.

It looks much better on paper than what it really is.

[pgardn]

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

If last nite was looking out for himself first I'll take that as well.

I have my definition of the ball hog bad shot fall down and not get back on D Parker. I saw very little of that last nite.

[pgardn]

Indeed.

This game from Tony was a little bit too far into Rondo-territory where the focus on his assists and ball-dominance is at the expense of the team's overall level of play not least because Rondo/Tony with this self imposed burden on offence can not or will not do anything worthwhile on the defensive end and give up as much or much more than what they selfishly create on the offense.

It looks much better on paper than what it really is.

F the stats.

He was fast. That's what I saw. If we can get that the rest will fall into place. He can't hog the ball in a whole series, he is too old now. I will take 30 min. of the fast we saw last nite.

[ElNono]

The concern is that he can't even make the opposing PG work. Fast Tony can. We will thrash the Clippers of last year with the fast version.

I dont really care about him dropping 20 pts. I care about him being enough of a threat to displace defenses. If the scoring and assists follow directly, good deal. Eventually the opposition will feel the legs having to really concentrate on D instead of just waiting for a rebound outlet.

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

[weeks]

I want to see him put together a string of good games .And no more fkng boo boos to get out of an embarrassing matchup

[SupremeGuy]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty.

Oh .

[weeks]

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

Yo you got no room to talk about the clipper series, your client was missing

[weeks]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty.

How the did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

[ElNono]

Yo you got no room to talk about the clipper series, your client was missing

El Cliente is old AND still posted a way better PER than TP and better than his matchup (Crawford)...

But yeah, we shouldn't be counting on him to bail the team out at this point, tbh