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Deng is probably going to end up in OKC who will be doing everything possible to retain Durant.
I think Deng was going to be gone whether they got Johnson or not. Pairing Winslow with Wade will further suffocate their offense, but they're clearly grooming him to start sooner than later. Throw in their financial issues and they were never going to pay Deng. Johnson just makes it easier to do so.
Deng is probably going to end up in OKC who will be doing everything possible to retain Durant.
Do they even have cap space after Kanter's max contract ?Deng is probably going to end up in OKC who will be doing everything possible to retain Durant.
I didn't take a look on their cap situation deeply, but after re-signing KD (if they do) I think they're left with only MLE money, even with an increased cap.
Losing a wing - where the team has the least depth - for a big - where the team has the most depth - is insane. You're basically replacing Duncan's minutes with Whiteside's (if not Duncan, then Diaw/West), while replacing Green's minutes with friggen Anderson or Simmons (or Martin now).
Dragic also costs about $4 million more per year than Parker and is about to be on the wrong side of 30. Yes, he'd be an upgrade - especially as Parker gets older - but not significant and he's been a disaster learning a new system.
Meanwhile, Whiteside is an impending unrestricted free agent and some idiot is going to PAY him. Would you want to spend $15 million a year on someone who's been a net negative both overall and defensively this year? All while Danny Green is on a very team-friendly deal in a market in which guys like Kent Bazemore are going to make 50% more than him.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1/on-off/2016/
Thank god you're not the GM. This isn't 2K16.
Of course it'll be. You want to trade the starting backcourt and any chance of 2017 cap money splash for the chance to pay $75 million to an aging point guard
in the trade i proposed we would've acquired gerald green. and we would still have butler.
he's stopped being a net negative defensively. you should know about something before you type it.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...ssan-whiteside
you wanna remind me again how fantastic our starting backcourt has played this year? $40 million left on parker's contract btw. and he's four years older than dragic. and dragic is an actual pg. resigning whiteside is an afterthought. it's about winning now.You want to trade the starting backcourt and any chance of 2017 cap money splash for the chance to pay $75 million to an aging point guard
Regardless of your unfounded crush on Dragic ( him and Parker have comparable stats, Parker shoots better and has a better PER ), you shouldn't be surprised at people shooting down your proposal of destroying the Spurs next 3/4 years for the chance to 'win now' with a mid-season major roster turnover of a 56-10 team.
right because trading parker, green, bonner for whiteside, dragic, mcroberts, and gerald green = destroying the spurs for the next 3/4 years
It's not just about next year, this year is important.
As bad as TP has been, Goran has been worse. So you are taking something that is a concern this year and making it worse because of actual play and learning curve.
Whiteside has made much progress since your post, but that still doesn't change certain aspects of why it would be a bad trade. You going to bench Duncan? Highly doubtful and you are now talking about losing Danny with again a guy in Gerald Green who's been worse.
It didn't make sense for either team. The fact WS & Goran have been playing better lately doesn't change that. At all.
goran is an actual pg. if you sum up their careers, parker is better. absolutely, no doubt. but goran's pg ability (minus scoring) > parker.
dragic has a high bb iq, would fit in like a glove. i wouldn't expect the curve to be as hard for him as other players. if we had moved parker the ball would be in kawhi and la's hands more, like it should be. so it's not even like we'd be asking/expecting a ton from him.
and whiteside could come off the bench with diaw or west... and we'd have a mobile shot blocker off the bench ! a young, mobile shot blocker on the team even.
and i wasn't saying gerald was better than danny. i was paying a sacrifice. you have to give to take.
That trade would have been abysmal. The Spurs absolutely don't need Whiteside, and it's crazy that you'd want to give up rotation players to bring him in when he's probably a rental. And Dragic on his deal is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse than Parker. This isn't a take I'd brag about if I were you.
Lots of guys were more of a pure point guard than Parker, so summing up the career is an important step.
Not to mention that as bad as TP has been at times, Goran's impact has been WORSE THIS YEAR. He's a fine player, but he would have a learning curve and is not playing very good ball this year either.
Whiteside is not enough to make up for any part of the trade while in a bubble Whiteside is the most valuable talented player in the proposed deal.
I love being told that I know nothing about basketball when you quote one month's worth of stats as being more useful than an entire season's worth of stats. Whiteside is a stat padder who will go for blocks instead of fitting into the system.
As a few have mentioned, Dragic's deal sucks and Whiteside's will suck even more. I probably wouldn't do the deal if contracts didn't matter, but they do. Whiteside could bounce in the offseason for nothing, and in the meantime clogs the big rotation.
And laugh at Gerald Green being the answer. Can you think of two bigger disasters in the Spurs' system than Gerald and Whiteside?
it is absolutely stunning how y'all can repudiate the presence whiteside would have for us.
do you know how to read?
Yes. Gerald Green isn't someone the Spurs would ever acquire midseason. So why on earth suggest it? He would get zero rotation minutes.
I'm not sure Whiteside and Duncan can play together either, so that seriously limits the front court lineups.
If Whiteside's as good as you say he is, you're willing to pay him a max deal and hamstring the team's flexibility going forward?
There's a reason the Heat didn't trade him - teams didn't value him for much at all. Otherwise they would have cashed in their chips in a lost season with Bosh down.
never said it was plausible.
right, cause bringing diaw + west never limits our front court
never said i was wiling to pay him. actually said winning now is what's important.
I think Whiteside A) Will command too much money, and B) Is too much of a knucklehead for Pop and RC to be legitimately interested tbh. He's kind of a dumbass.
the trade i proposed was tony, danny, matt for whiteside, dragic, mcroberts, and gerald green. resigning whiteside would be an afterthought. winning now is what matters. tim isn't playing forever.
I'm glad you're not in the FO
i'm even happier you're not in the FO.
Team would be the same as it is now tbh. I have faith in Pop
same amount he's had in bonner?
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