David Robinson: The Greatest Player Nobody Thinks About.....

[Kawhitstorm]

People commonly say that Robinson was more of a face-up player, and more people commonly repeat it. They seem to think that somehow means that Robinson wasn't a great post-up player, which is wrong. He was more dangerous to teams as a face-up player because he was a guard in a center's body, and he could get past defenders with his athleticism instead of having to have his back to the basket.

Garnett had an unstoppable fadeaway shot & even had a Dream Shake ala Hakeem which was something Admiral lacked thus made it easier to double him. KG was actually tougher to double than Hakeem b/c he had an elite court vision.

Robinson did things facing up that no seven footer has ever done, before or since, but he was a better post-up player than Garnett. Garnett had more assists, so I let the passing thing go, but at best they were equivalent rebounders in their prime. I'm actively overlooking the extra 1.1 rebounds you credited Garnett with at his peak.

KG is a LEGIT 7 footer (dude is taller than Tim), the only thing Admiral had on him was muscle.

Garnett's strength was his defense, and he wasn't as good as Robinson as a defender, either.

KG is EASILY the best PnR defender EVER. He's longer than Hakeem/Russell/Big Ben & more agile than other bigs.

[SpursFan86]

KG is massively underrated. Pretty comfortably in the top 15 of all-time IMO.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

The Admiral is the reason I became a Spurs fan.

My role model growing up.

My friends wanted to be like Mike.

I wanted to emulate The Admiral.

[DMC]

Class personified. Too bad he's a hanger on.

[Obstructed_View]

Good find. I think Holt and company, including Duncan, were just leveraging their great product for an arena. I never felt the Spurs would leave though.

I think that's a reasonable opinion, but Red McCombs had really ed the city getting the Alamodome built, and he was making money off of it, not the Spurs (I think McCombs STILL gets the concession money from that building). The city was still a bit raw about that and didn't want to leverage more tourist money to pay for another building, so it's not impossible that they would have called Holt's bluff and at that point he'd have really had to look at relocation. There were cities with money to burn on a shiny new NBA team.

[Obstructed_View]

Garnett had an unstoppable fadeaway shot & even had a Dream Shake ala Hakeem which was something Admiral lacked thus made it easier to double him. KG was actually tougher to double than Hakeem b/c he had an elite court vision.

Garnett had an unstoppable fadeaway in that nobody could stop him from doing it because he never developed a post move toward the basket in his career. The Dream shake was not a shoulder fake leading to a fadeaway, dude. KG had such good court vision because he was looking to get rid of the ball when it was in his hands, especially in crunch time.

best PnR defender ever. Couldn't even stop the vaunted Derek Fisher to Pau Gasol PnR 2 out of 3 times. Slapping the court and shouting isn't defense. Robinson faced the most punishing pick and roll in the history of the game five times a year and is still number two in defensive rating in the modern era. Behind Duncan.

[Kawhitstorm]

best PnR defender ever. Couldn't even stop the vaunted Derek Fisher to Pau Gasol PnR 2 out of 3 times. Slapping the court and shouting isn't defense. Robinson faced the most punishing pick and roll in the history of the game five times a year and is still number two in defensive rating in the modern era. Behind Duncan.

Admiral at the PEAK OF HIS PRIME shot below 40% in NUMEROUS postseason series & he will ALWAYS be known as Malone's which is the ultimate insult.

Pre-Injury KG turned Pau into his after Pau held his own against Tim.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Admiral at the PEAK OF HIS PRIME shot below 40% in NUMEROUS postseason series & he will ALWAYS be known as Malone's which is the ultimate insult.

I know you're talking out of your ass per par, but which are these NUMEROUS postseason series IN HIS PRIME where Robinson shot below 40%?

[Drachen]

I love how Spurs fans (especially SA natives) put Admiral on a pedestal but on KG when their career is basically a mirror image.

Hakeem actually ate Admiral's lunch 1-on-1 but KG held his own against Tim 1-on-1 & actually performed better against the 2004 Lakers than Tim b/c Malone couldn't guard him on the perimeter.

When did Hakeem guard Robinson 1 on 1?

[TampaDude]

The Admiral is the reason I became a Spurs fan.

Same here. My wife went to OP.

[TampaDude]

Admiral at the PEAK OF HIS PRIME shot below 40% in NUMEROUS postseason series & he will ALWAYS be known as Malone's which is the ultimate insult.

Bah...DRob has two rings, The Failman has none.

REMEMBER THE ELBOW!!!

[ShinerBlack]

Getting quadruple teamed by the Rockets really did a number on how people remember him... sad.

+1

[Kawhitstorm]

When did Hakeem guard Robinson 1 on 1?

WTF does that have anything to do w/ Admiral defending Hakeem on the other end?

[Kawhitstorm]

I know you're talking out of your ass per par, but which are these NUMEROUS postseason series IN HIS PRIME where Robinson shot below 40%?

Depends what you consider his prime? (He was top 10 in win-shares/PER/All-NBA/All-Star/MVP voting through 2000-01 when he led the league in WS/48)

So let the postseason chokin' be revealed:

- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-jazz.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

Embarrassing PEAK prime performance: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

Compare this to Garnett's last All-NBA season (2nd team Defense) at the same age as Admiral's final tail-end-of-prime season (35): http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-heat.html

[SayTown]

That 94-95 Spurs Team during the regular season was the most exciting Spurs team to watch of all time. Robinson dominating everyone in sight, Ninja Roach doing his thing, Rodman grabbing every rebound just to pass it back to Robinson again and also Vinny and Avery playing well. The Beautiful Game was amazing but that 94-95 team was just a joy to watch.

[Kawhitstorm]

That 94-95 Spurs Team during the regular season was the most exciting Spurs team to watch of all time. Robinson dominating everyone in sight, Ninja Roach doing his thing, Rodman grabbing every rebound just to pass it back to Robinson again and also Vinny and Avery playing well. The Beautiful Game was amazing but that 94-95 team was just a joy to watch.

The urban legend continues:

- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...503030SAS.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...501130HOU.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...502210HOU.html

[wildcardX]

Here is the head to head stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=robinda01

[Obstructed_View]

30-12 head to head is pretty ing dominant.

[Drachen]

WTF does that have anything to do w/ Admiral defending Hakeem on the other end?

From you:
Hakeem actually ate Admiral's lunch 1-on-1

From me:
When did Hakeem guard Robinson 1 on 1

[Kawhitstorm]

From you:
Hakeem actually ate Admiral's lunch 1-on-1

From me:
When did Hakeem guard Robinson 1 on 1

Dummy, I'm comparing how Admiral fared guarding Hakeem 1-on-1 to the supposed much inferior Ewing in the '94 Finals. There are two side of the court.

For example, KG got doubled by Admiral/Tim but he was able to check Tim as well as anyone during his prime which is why he didn't get utterly outplayed like Admiral did by Hakeem when Admiral was supposedly better than Hakeem & KG was inferior to Tim.

[Kawhitstorm]

Here is the head to head stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=robinda01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...stats_playoffs

30-12 head to head is pretty ing dominant.

Let's ignore Tim being 10-0 vs Hakeem

[Drachen]

Dummy, I'm comparing how Admiral fared guarding Hakeem 1-on-1 to the supposed much inferior Ewing in the '94 Finals. There are two side of the court.

For example, KG got doubled by Admiral/Tim but he was able to check Tim as well as anyone during his prime which is why he didn't get utterly outplayed like Admiral did by Hakeem when Admiral was supposedly better than Hakeem & KG was inferior to Tim.

Ok, you are correct. In that series Hakeem outplayed David one on one and David played 75-85% as well 3 (including Hakeem) on 1. Your point doesn't favor your argument.

[gambit1990]

drob was great but had bad teams.

now it's parker's turn. except he's bad and has a great team.

[Kawhitstorm]

Ok, you are correct. In that series Hakeem outplayed David one on one and David played 75-85% as well 3 (including Hakeem) on 1. Your point doesn't favor your argument.

That would also explain why Admiral ed up against the Jazz in '94 when Hakeem destroyed them w/ Mad Max as his wing-man. It's ALWAYS his teammates not him unlike Garnett/Ewing & 'em. I guess Tim wasn't good enough for him in '98 either.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Depends what you consider his prime? (He was top 10 in win-shares/PER/All-NBA/All-Star/MVP voting through 2000-01 when he led the league in WS/48)

So let the postseason chokin' be revealed:

- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-jazz.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

Embarrassing PEAK prime performance: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

Compare this to Garnett's last All-NBA season (2nd team Defense) at the same age as Admiral's final tail-end-of-prime season (35): http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-heat.html

So you've managed to find exactly 2 series with Robinson shooting below 40% and both from after his injury. Way to backtrack on the 'NUMEROUS', 'IN HIS PRIME' statement