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    Limb? For some reason he was considered Hollywood royalty upon arrival. I still don't get it.
    He was miscast in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and buried himself proper on the money pit disaster that was Waterworld. I think they nailed his role in Field of Dreams imo

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    He was miscast in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and buried himself proper on the money pit disaster that was Waterworld. I think they nailed his role in Field of Dreams imo
    Right. Forgot about Field of Dreams. That should have been his wheelhouse. The everyday man. Not a hero or man of action. He was actually ok in Black and White or something like that.

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    Probably my favorite role of his.

    "Men are gonna get killed here today, Sue, and I'm gonna kill 'em."
    "I got no problem with killin', Boss. Never have."

    I like the part in the alley toward the end where one bad guy has a hold of "Sue" and Costner guns him anyway. Her reaction is sublime and accurate,,,she's in an immediate state of shock. The look on her face is incredible. It's a nice touch she left there.

    And Russo injects a certain something into the film. (What else is new,,,he always does whether it's "Once Upon a Time in America" OR "Beverly Hills Cop.") A violinist, he's not quite vested all the way in with his boss in "Open Range." There is a part of him that is still clean---He is smitten, perhaps even in love with "Sue." I imagine he's asked her out and she's rejected him steadfast. All he had to do was give up his life of corruption---and there could have been a chance? Maybe. They have their moment at the end in the street and it hurts to see him there at total loss. He's killed, put out of his misery moments later.

    OR goes on a little too long. They stooped there and there is no going back. Sometimes I turned it off just after they get everybody to the Doc's house and before she goes to the saloon to meet with Costner. That doesn't belong in this film.

    &&&ADDENDUM:::A hole in this movie is provided by the townspeople turning on the land baron pretty much at 100%. Doesn't stand the gaffe. They owe their very lives, their livelihoods to this man. He owns the town, the county, the immediate country. Anyone with half-a-brain and these people were not dummies, or, ignorant,,,they were smart and made to look intelligent by the production. That they would side with Costner, a drifter against land baron doesn't hold water. They try to cover by drumming into our ears and the townspeoples that Mose was murdered and the young French boy beaten and shot. + their dog was shot as well.

    Where are these people going to go now. What are they going to do. The cash cow is dead. His relatives are going to come thru and liquidate.
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    "I got no problem with killin', Boss. Never have."

    I like the part in the alley toward the end where one bad guy has a hold of "Sue" and Costner guns him anyway. Her reaction is sublime and accurate,,,she's in an immediate state of shock. The look on her face is incredible. It's a nice touch she left there.

    And Russo injects a certain something into the film. (What else is new,,,he always does whether it's "Once Upon a Time in America" OR "Beverly Hills Cop.") A violinist, he's not quite vested all the way in with his boss in "Open Range." There is a part of him that is still clean---He is smitten, perhaps even in love with "Sue." I imagine he's asked her out and she's rejected him steadfast. All he had to do was give up his life of corruption---and there could have been a chance? Maybe. They have their moment at the end in the street and it hurts to see him there at total loss. He's killed, put out of his misery moments later.

    OR goes on a little too long. They stooped there and there is no going back. Sometimes I turned it off just after they get everybody to the Doc's house and before she goes to the saloon to meet with Costner. That doesn't belong in this film.

    &&&ADDENDUM:::A hole in this movie is provided by the townspeople turning on the land baron pretty much at 100%. Doesn't stand the gaffe. They owe their very lives, their livelihoods to this man. He owns the town, the county, the immediate country. Anyone with half-a-brain and these people were not dummies, or, ignorant,,,they were smart and made to look intelligent by the production. That they would side with Costner, a drifter against land baron doesn't hold water. They try to cover by drumming into our ears and the townspeoples that Mose was murdered and the young French boy beaten and shot. + their dog was shot as well.

    Where are these people going to go now. What are they going to do. The cash cow is dead. His relatives are going to come thru and liquidate.
    Way too long to read a criticism about a movie I don't much remember.

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    Costner went to my old HS. As did Tommy Johnston with the Doobie Brothers, we both had the hots for the same girl...June Hall.

    As did NFLers, Don Mosebar, Michael Young and Lupe Sanchez.

    Have partied with Johnston and played football with Young and Sanchez,

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    Costner went to my old HS. As did Tommy Johnston with the Doobie Brothers, we both had the hots for the same girl...June Hall.
    She was a . Thank god no one ed her because Herpes would have killed Long Train Runnin.

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    She was a . Thank god no one ed her because Herpes would have killed Long Train Runnin.
    June Hall was a 100% honey, incredible ass and legs. She asked me to the Sadie Hawkins dance, I was a far better dancer than Tommy was.

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    June Hall was a 100% honey, incredible ass and legs. She asked me to the Sadie Hawkins dance, I was a far better dancer than Tommy was.
    While you and Tommy were having a dance off, the Doobies were taking turns with June. Long Train Runnin

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    While you and Tommy were having a dance off, the Doobies were taking turns with June. Long Train Runnin
    You try sooooooooooooo hard, why?

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    You're sooooooooooooo hard, why?
    wow

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    Way too long to read a criticism about a movie I don't much remember.
    I've never watched the movie and still thoroughly enjoyed the read.

    It's worth it, Six. Trust me.

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    While you and Tommy were having a dance off, the Doobies were taking turns with June. Long Train Runnin

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    beat out Goodfellas. #OscarsSoWhiteGuilt

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    "I got no problem with killin', Boss. Never have."

    I like the part in the alley toward the end where one bad guy has a hold of "Sue" and Costner guns him anyway. Her reaction is sublime and accurate,,,she's in an immediate state of shock. The look on her face is incredible. It's a nice touch she left there.

    And Russo injects a certain something into the film. (What else is new,,,he always does whether it's "Once Upon a Time in America" OR "Beverly Hills Cop.") A violinist, he's not quite vested all the way in with his boss in "Open Range." There is a part of him that is still clean---He is smitten, perhaps even in love with "Sue." I imagine he's asked her out and she's rejected him steadfast. All he had to do was give up his life of corruption---and there could have been a chance? Maybe. They have their moment at the end in the street and it hurts to see him there at total loss. He's killed, put out of his misery moments later.

    OR goes on a little too long. They stooped there and there is no going back. Sometimes I turned it off just after they get everybody to the Doc's house and before she goes to the saloon to meet with Costner. That doesn't belong in this film.

    &&&ADDENDUM:::A hole in this movie is provided by the townspeople turning on the land baron pretty much at 100%. Doesn't stand the gaffe. They owe their very lives, their livelihoods to this man. He owns the town, the county, the immediate country. Anyone with half-a-brain and these people were not dummies, or, ignorant,,,they were smart and made to look intelligent by the production. That they would side with Costner, a drifter against land baron doesn't hold water. They try to cover by drumming into our ears and the townspeoples that Mose was murdered and the young French boy beaten and shot. + their dog was shot as well.

    Where are these people going to go now. What are they going to do. The cash cow is dead. His relatives are going to come thru and liquidate.

    I forgot Russo was Bugsy in Once Upon a Time in America (my favorite film, FYI)...good memory, Cub

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    Limb? For some reason he was considered Hollywood royalty upon arrival. I still don't get it.

    The spec script originally written in 1980 went unsold…Nobody thought a Western would sell in the 80’s or 90’s…The novel version of Dances with Wolves was rejected by numerous publishers but finally published in paperback in 1988…Production delays were numerous because of South Dakota's unpredictable weather…Budget overruns…Particularly difficult was the film's centerpiece bison hunt sequence…100 Indian stunt riders and an actual stampeding herd of several thousand bison…Costner was injured & paid for the budget overruns out of his own pocket…Post editors & sound techs who worked for Costner before, help complete the final editing & dub for free…Studio executives were comparing the film to other recent bombs like Heaven’s gate and 1941… Dances with Wolves was dubbed "Kevin's Gate" by Hollywood critics…

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