self driving cars for real?

[ElNono]

Elnono,

What do you think of this algorithm? If Tesla can't see the lanes, it will dutifully follow the vehicle in front of it.

Wow. Just wow.

From what I read, Tesla's algo is the least developed one. But there's a reason they don't advertise and sell this stuff yet as the real deal. AFAIK, the auto-pilot feature is really a toy with all sorts of disclaimers.

They have a ton of work ahead of them, tbh. Google apparently are the guys further ahead, and from what I've seen, they don't really just track lanes.

Like I said earlier, you don't wanna pick up the 1st gen of these things. Let them work out the kinks and pick it up later on.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll never trust one.

call me a control freak of you must...

[DarrinS]

From what I read, Tesla's algo is the least developed one. But there's a reason they don't advertise and sell this stuff yet as the real deal. AFAIK, the auto-pilot feature is really a toy with all sorts of disclaimers.

They have a ton of work ahead of them, tbh. Google apparently are the guys further ahead, and from what I've seen, they don't really just track lanes.

Like I said earlier, you don't wanna pick up the 1st gen of these things. Let them work out the kinks and pick it up later on.

I'm with WC on this one. I don't think I'd ever fully trust the technology. I'm fine with adaptive cruise control, but I don't want it steering for me.

[DarrinS]

Isn't Tesla exposing themselves to major liability risk?

[ElNono]

Isn't Tesla exposing themselves to major liability risk?

Depends on what you agree to when you click the "Accept" button, tbh... I would suspect the turn-on button is behind heaps of disclaimers.

[DarrinS]

Depends on what you agree to when you click the "Accept" button, tbh... I would suspect the turn-on button is behind heaps of disclaimers.

Makes sense

[ElNono]

I'm with WC on this one. I don't think I'd ever fully trust the technology. I'm fine with adaptive cruise control, but I don't want it steering for me.

IMO, this has to be reliable or it's never gonna work. So if it's ever offered as a mainstream thing, it gotta be at that point, and really, at that stage it's no different than autopilot on a plane.

Frankly, humans aren't all that great driving either. And I don't mean grandma in front driving 20mph on a 45mph street. I'm talking the casualty count of car accidents every year.

I actually expect people to when insurance companies start giving you a discount for using the auto-pilot instead of driving manually, tbh... that's coming.

I mean, this has to be good enough to allow even blind people to drive around (which, from a humanitarian aspect, it's pretty dope, IMO)

[ElNono]

Even my Lexus gives me a page of disclaimer before it lets me use the GPS. Worst car UI ever, tbh

[DarrinS]

IMO, this has to be reliable or it's never gonna work. So if it's ever offered as a mainstream thing, it gotta be at that point, and really, at that stage it's no different than autopilot on a plane.

Frankly, humans aren't all that great driving either. And I don't mean grandma in front driving 20mph on a 45mph street. I'm talking the casualty count of car accidents every year.

I actually expect people to when insurance companies start giving you a discount for using the auto-pilot instead of driving manually, tbh... that's coming.

I mean, this has to be good enough to allow even blind people to drive around (which, from a humanitarian aspect, it's pretty dope, IMO)

Yeah, people suck at driving and have lousy reaction time, but are superior at recognizing an object. Something falls out of a truck or an animal runs across the road, there's no telling what some computer vision algorithm will make of it.

[ElNono]

Yeah, people suck at driving and have lousy reaction time, but are superior at recognizing an object. Something falls out of a truck or an animal runs across the road, there's no telling what some computer vision algorithm will make of it.

It'll probably make it's an obstacle. Much more likely to stop in time or dodge than your average human.

But sensors do play a major role in all this. You don't want a car to be swerving because of a plastic bag flying on the road.

So, yeah, it's challenging. But this isn't new either. Robotics have been dealing with a lot of this stuff for a while, even more complicated stuff like uneven terrain, etc.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, people suck at driving and have lousy reaction time, but are superior at recognizing an object. Something falls out of a truck or an animal runs across the road, there's no telling what some computer vision algorithm will make of it.

I'm sure the designers never thought of this. . . .

You don't even know what the algorithm is. You just fear it.

[DarrinS]

It'll probably make it's an obstacle. Much more likely to stop in time or dodge than your average human.

But sensors do play a major role in all this. You don't want a car to be swerving because of a plastic bag flying on the road.

So, yeah, it's challenging. But this isn't new either. Robotics have been dealing with a lot of this stuff for a while, even more complicated stuff like uneven terrain, etc.

The robotics comparison doesn't give me much more confidence.

This one looks drunk.




And why is the engineer being such a ?

[ElNono]

The robotics comparison doesn't give me much more confidence.

This one looks drunk.




And why is the engineer being such a ?

lol...

I was referring to more akin robotics like the Opportunity or Curiosity Mars rovers, when it comes to object tracking and obstacle avoidance...

[DarrinS]

I'm sure the designers never thought of this. . . .

You don't even know what the algorithm is. You just fear it.

Wrong. I'm actively developing computer vision algorithms, so I can speak with experience. They're very good at some tasks, surprisingly poor at others.

[DarrinS]

Fuzzy is right about one thing -- I do fear these algorithms. But it's a fear based on an understanding of the technology's current limitations.

[ElNono]

Wrong. I'm actively developing computer vision algorithms, so I can speak with experience. They're very good at some tasks, surprisingly poor at others.

I've been itching to play around with Rprop on OpenCV, but haven't had the time. I read Google making some really nice advances with that + GPU hardware, both on voice and image recognition.

[baseline bum]

The robotics comparison doesn't give me much more confidence.

This one looks drunk.




And why is the engineer being such a ?

I was hoping that robot was going to punch him at 1:28

[DarrinS]

I've been itching to play around with Rprop on OpenCV, but haven't had the time. I read Google making some really nice advances with that + GPU hardware, both on voice and image recognition.

There are some good libraries out there, like OpenCV. Kitware has some good stuff, too.

I'm sure Google has the best people in the world working on these problems. I remember when they had to scrub all Google Earth images to blur out all license plates and signs. No telling how long that took, but it was pretty impressive.

[DarrinS]

I was hoping that robot was going to punch him at 1:28

What about 2:06?

Robot like "Oh no you didn't!"

[baseline bum]

What about 2:06?

Robot like "Oh no you didn't!"

I like when the robot says you, I'm going home at the end.

[ElNono]

That robot is pretty amazing, tbh... Amazon warehouse workers probably ting their pants right now...

[DarrinS]

I like when the robot says you, I'm going home at the end.

He's like, this job lifting boxes -- I ain't even getting paid.

AI and robots freak me out a little. There's nothing preventing a malicious robot. Drones still have man-in-the-loop, but it won't be long before fully autonomous.

[DarrinS]

That robot is pretty amazing, tbh... Amazon warehouse workers probably ting their pants right now...

That video is a tutorial on how to defeat them. Only need a broom.

[ElNono]

That video is a tutorial on how to defeat them. Only need a broom.

"In the good old days, robots were programmed to punch back. Sad!"

[DarrinS]

"In the good old days, robots were programmed to punch back. Sad!"

Just needs the right code, tbh. Asimov's laws? Laughable