self driving cars for real?

[boutons_deux]

Driven cars vs self-driving cars? driven cars will eventually be seen like horse and buggy. And seriously disadvantaged by tax and insurance.

you adolescents who think "my car is my ", "my gun is my ", "I can drive drunk and/or at high speeds safely", "my lifted, over-powered, noisy pipes truck is my " will become even more ridiculous in a few years.

you will order a car, it shows up by itself, you get in, and it drives to your destination. road infrastructure will be modified to assist self-driving cars (if Repugs don't obstruct, and they will surely try. ing up is ALL the Repugs do).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wrong. I'm actively developing computer vision algorithms, so I can speak with experience. They're very good at some tasks, surprisingly poor at others.

Even if that were true, I have spoken to you on modeling and system integration before in the climate threads and you have demonstrated not the first clue.

So far in this discussion, you have googled up an article on Tesla and waved your hands. Outside of that we have the above cliche that is so meaningless it can be applied to anything.

So please outside of incredulity and your assistance on being an authority do you have any basis at all whatsoever?

[DarrinS]

Even if that were true, I have spoken to you on modeling and system integration before in the climate threads and you have demonstrated not the first clue.

So far in this discussion, you have googled up an article on Tesla and waved your hands. Outside of that we have the above cliche that is so meaningless it can be applied to anything.

So please outside of incredulity and your assistance on being an authority do you have any basis at all whatsoever?

Are you like this in real life?

[RandomGuy]

I think the manufacturers will have self driving cars figured out (technically) long before the legal system figures out how to deal with them. Those deep pockets building those cars aren't going to want to be involved in litigation every time a self driving car is in an accident but how is it the occupants fault if the car gets in an accident? Thomas J Henry is gonna get filthy stinking rich suing Google. If I have a BAC of 2.0 and get in my self driving car to go home is it a DWI? There are tons of legal issues that will have to be resolved before self driving cars for the public become a reality.

A bit on the legal issues:
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...y-to-take-over

I wonder if you get to sue the software company if you get runned over and hurticated.

[RandomGuy]

He's like, this job lifting boxes -- I ain't even getting paid.

AI and robots freak me out a little. There's nothing preventing a malicious robot. Drones still have man-in-the-loop, but it won't be long before fully autonomous.

X-47. Already there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B

[RandomGuy]

Wrong. I'm actively developing computer vision algorithms, so I can speak with experience. They're very good at some tasks, surprisingly poor at others.

Oddly enough this is where biology and technology collide. Studies of how human brains think are providing insight to software engineers and vice versa.

[boutons_deux]

one of the infrastructure changes I expect is some kind of computer vision/laser-friendly/RFID markers on the road, road-side items, and on cars.

The austerity freaks Repugs will say "we're broke, we can't spend money on the 99%"

but we can spend this

Staggering toll: Car crashes cost $871 billion a year

The total includes $277 billion in economic costs – nearly $900 for each person living in the USA – and $594 billion in societal harm from the loss of life and the pain and decreased quality of life because of injuries.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/29/steep-economic-toll-of-crashes/9715893/

[DarrinS]

Oddly enough this is where biology and technology collide. Studies of how human brains think are providing insight to software engineers and vice versa.

There's no doubt that a computer would have faster reaction time than a human, but would it make better decisions? The technology will be ready, eventually.

[hater]

It's not a matter of IF but just a matter of time when cars will drive circles around us old geezers. Probably 5-10 years.

Can't wait to see robocars competing and winning every single circuit race vs slow stupid humans

[CosmicCowboy]

Driven cars vs self-driving cars? driven cars will eventually be seen like horse and buggy. And seriously disadvantaged by tax and insurance.

you adolescents who think "my car is my ", "my gun is my ", "I can drive drunk and/or at high speeds safely", "my lifted, over-powered, noisy pipes truck is my " will become even more ridiculous in a few years.

you will order a car, it shows up by itself, you get in, and it drives to your destination. road infrastructure will be modified to assist self-driving cars (if Repugs don't obstruct, and they will surely try. ing up is ALL the Repugs do).

Ill take my truck over your tiny Internet warrior any day.

[boutons_deux]

Ill take my truck over your tiny Internet warrior any day.

proving your iden y, are defined by your truck

[hater]

bouttocks has a point this time. old geezers will be driving miss daisy and get laughed at while modern humans do amazing things while in their self driving cars.

But will say this. Research studies have shown young people are not into cars as much anymore. Fewer are applying for licenses and more and more prefer services like ride share our uber. Your time is coming car nuts

[RandomGuy]

There's no doubt that a computer would have faster reaction time than a human, but would it make better decisions? The technology will be ready, eventually.

35,000 plus Americans die on the road every year.

I have no doubt that computers and software could do better. None. Zip. Zilch, etc.

[DarrinS]

35,000 plus Americans die on the road every year.

I have no doubt that computers and software could do better. None. Zip. Zilch, etc.

If they interpret the environment correctly, I agree.

[RandomGuy]

If they interpret the environment correctly, I agree.

Yeah. It is rather obvious that the application would have to be fairly limited for the first few years. Have to keep the environment limited with fewer variables, i.e. large freeways.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you like this in real life?

Are you going to add something to the discussion other than your supposed appeal to authority and meaningless cliches?

[DarrinS]

Are you going to add something to the discussion other than your supposed appeal to authority and meaningless cliches?

I already did. At least, with those willing to have a civil discussion and not accuse me of being a liar.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I already did. At least, with those willing to have a civil discussion and not accuse me of being a liar.

I never said you were a liar. I just said that you have given no indication that you have any expertise outside of your claim.

You tried to reverse engineer the algorithm from the tesla article and got as far as lanes and following the car in front. Additionally, as EN was kind enough to point out they are the least advanced. That tells me you have no meaningful practical experience in what the industry is trying to do. Instead you are resorting to google fu.

[DarrinS]

I never said you were a liar. I just said that you have given no indication that you have any expertise outside of your claim.

You tried to reverse engineer the algorithm from the tesla article and got as far as lanes and following the car in front. Additionally, as EN was kind enough to point out they are the least advanced. That tells me you have no meaningful practical experience in what the industry is trying to do. Instead you are resorting to google fu.

I didn't claim expertise in self-driving algorithms -- just familiarity with computer vision algos. And I didn't try to reverse-engineer anything. I just pointed out what the Tesla driver was saying.

[DarrinS]

And Fuzzy, what specific expertise do you bring to this discussion?

[DarrinS]

Wrong. I'm actively developing computer vision algorithms, so I can speak with experience. They're very good at some tasks, surprisingly poor at others.

Even if that were true, I have spoken to you on modeling and system integration before in the climate threads and you have demonstrated not the first clue.

So far in this discussion, you have googled up an article on Tesla and waved your hands. Outside of that we have the above cliche that is so meaningless it can be applied to anything.

So please outside of incredulity and your assistance on being an authority do you have any basis at all whatsoever?

Glad you didn't call me a liar, tho.

[ElNono]

It's true that computer vision isn't "outstanding" at this point, but there's more to it than just that. Don't forget the Google car also includes laser and radar sensors, and uses GPS navigation also for situational awareness.

I wouldn't be surprised if additional sensors are added. I can see IR sensors or even heat sensors to be potentially useful.

But there's no doubt it's a big challenge.

[DarrinS]

It's true that computer vision isn't "outstanding" at this point, but there's more to it than just that. Don't forget the Google car also includes laser and radar sensors, and uses GPS navigation also for situational awareness.

I wouldn't be surprised if additional sensors are added. I can see IR sensors or even heat sensors to be potentially useful.

But there's no doubt it's a big challenge.

I include LASER, LIDAR iR, etc. in computer vision technology. They are just active as opposed to passive signals.

[DarrinS]

Based on the complexity of the problem and current technology, it's pretty amazing that they have stuff that kinda works right now. I'd just have my hands very close to the wheel.

[ElNono]

I include LASER, LIDAR iR, etc. in computer vision technology. They are just active as opposed to passive signals.

It's just makes sense for something like this. You don't need to have a camera doing image recognition for side objects when all you need is a sonar.