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    Hillary would be way better off going up against Cruz who no democrat has any mixed feelings about whatsoever. Plus, he's a traditional candidate and you can throw the traditional playbook at him and win. Trump is such a wild card, no one knows what he's got in store for Hillary.

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    Hillary would be way better off going up against Cruz who no democrat has any mixed feelings about whatsoever. Plus, he's a traditional candidate and you can throw the traditional playbook at him and win. Trump is such a wild card, no one knows what he's got in store for Hillary.
    Not even Trump knows what he got in store for her. He hasnt even started to think about her

    at this point Trump just knowz theres a woman called Hillary somewhere in this country

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    Both candidates have putrid unfavorable ratings.

    Trump's Unfavorable Rating: 62%
    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...vorable-rating

    Hillary's Unfavorably Rating: 54%
    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...vorable-rating

    And I don't agree with what you said about Hillary. I never thought in a million years I would even consider a non-democrat POTUS candidate, but she has driven me right out of the party. I will be voting for Trump over her. I doubt I'm completely alone on that.
    And that's why I said Hillary is not far behind.

    But 54 is a ton better than 60. At least she's a consistent 50 percenter. Trump's unfavoritable ratings keep going up. Next month, they'll be at 70 and so on.

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    That's trump without gop backing. I mean, Reck, there are superPACs without any candidate supporting their message going after him. You bbasically have Trump voters vs establishment (and liberal in open primary) voters. He should have a much lower favorability. Also Reagan had horrible favorability until he was the candidate, iirc he was between 30-45% for a while.

    If the gop backs him, which it probably wont unless he can get the magic number, his support will grow. Hilary isn't the strong candidate people make her out to be and she really does have a good shot at losing to Trump because she's actually disliked by blue voters like Trump is by red voters. If Trump continues like this into the GE with full support, I don't see this being a slam dunk for hHillary like people think.
    I dont really buy that.

    Backed or not, he's not going to magically gain the black or hispanic supporters, which you need to win. He's done enough damaged for the hispanics to be completely against him.

    Blacks ain't happening either. Basically he has the white angry voters amped up. You cant win with just whites.

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    I dont really buy that.

    Backed or not, he's not going to magically gain the black or hispanic supporters, which you need to win. He's done enough damaged for the hispanics to be completely against him.

    Blacks ain't happening either. Basically he has the white angry voters amped up. You cant win with just whites.
    Blacks, Hispanics, Women, Independents. Which one of those can he win?

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    Los latinos votamos por el Trump. Callate pendejo

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    Not even Trump knows what he got in store for her.
    That's part of his genius!

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    I dont really buy that.

    Backed or not, he's not going to magically gain the black or hispanic supporters, which you need to win. He's done enough damaged for the hispanics to be completely against him.

    Blacks ain't happening either. Basically he has the white angry voters amped up. You cant win with just whites.
    You can't win when a large part of your party also dislikes you as well, Reck. Remember that Hillary won't automatically get the democrat votes like Trump won't automatically get the republican votes. Bernie and Cruz would get the usual treatment and we'll have the swing state battles like normal - but trump / hillary isn't that kind of battle.

    In my honest opinion, if Trump is nominated and Hillary doesn't it up, the winner in the general election will have a one sided victory because it will be a battle of who screws up big time first.

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    Blacks, Hispanics, Women, Independents. Which one of those can he win?
    Well he's got rmt's vote.

    I dont understand how women can get behind him when he's clearly a sexist and absolutely not for them in the least.

    Luckily, I dont think it outweights the majority though.

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    You can't win when a large part of your party also dislikes you as well, Reck. Remember that Hillary won't automatically get the democrat votes like Trump won't automatically get the republican votes. Bernie and Cruz would get the usual treatment and we'll have the swing state battles like normal - but trump / hillary isn't that kind of battle.

    In my honest opinion, if Trump is nominated and Hillary doesn't it up, the winner in the general election will have a one sided victory because it will be a battle of who screws up big time first.
    True.

    But whom do you dislike more? It will come down to who is worst.

    And the choice from my seat is clear.

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    True.

    But whom do you dislike more? It will come down to who is worst.

    And the choice from my seat is clear.
    You already know Hillary is the worst choice for me, she'll probably throw us into another war on top of dealing with ISIS. I just think Trump will try to push the US to be less of a world police. I don't buy into that whole make america great again shtick, but he's just less capable of ing the country up - if he goes crazy, congress would just block him.

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    You already know Hillary is the worst choice for me, she'll probably throw us into another war on top of dealing with ISIS. I just think Trump will try to push the US to be less of a world police. I don't buy into that whole make america great again shtick, but he's just less capable of ing the country up - if he goes crazy, congress would just block him.
    You seriously think he's going to respect the will of Congress?

    Example --> Obama did executive orders, here are mine (jackboots into every non-white household to find illegals)

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    You seriously think he's going to respect the will of Congress?

    Example --> Obama did executive orders, here are mine (jackboots into every non-white household to find illegals)
    He's far more likely to than Hilary, tbh

    anyways here's some pictures



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    He's far more likely to than Hilary, tbh

    anyways here's some pictures


    Don't find any of those particularly funny.

    I do think that the "it could never happen to us!" mindset of fascism descending into our country is, while not likely, never been closer. The guy is literally flouting the rule of law, endorsing torture, demonizing non-whites, and advocating state-sponsored violence against his domestic enemies. His policies of deportation are basically sending jackboots into every non-white household to root out "illegals". I don't think it is likely, but it is a real threat. We're only in March and is basically out of control at his rallies and his rhetoric, which he never apologizes for and doubles-down whenever called out.

    I know you're a smart guy, Mitch. Don't underestimate the danger he poses.

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    Don't find any of those particularly funny.

    I do think that the "it could never happen to us!" mindset of fascism descending into our country is, while not likely, never been closer. The guy is literally flouting the rule of law, endorsing torture, demonizing non-whites, and advocating state-sponsored violence against his domestic enemies. His policies of deportation are basically sending jackboots into every non-white household to root out "illegals". I don't think it is likely, but it is a real threat. We're only in March and is basically out of control at his rallies and his rhetoric, which he never apologizes for and doubles-down whenever called out.

    I know you're a smart guy, Mitch. Don't underestimate the danger he poses.
    You keep thinking I support him for some reason

    He's my 2nd worse candidate, Hilary just happens to be the worse. I like Bernie, even though he won't get most of his crap done, he'll shake up the white house in a better way. Cruz and Kasich would be more predictable, but I really don't trust Kasich when it comes to avoiding wars.

    Also, cmon have a sense of humor, I thought the rubio one was pretty damn funny

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    You keep thinking I support him for some reason

    He's my 2nd worse candidate, Hilary just happens to be the worse. I like Bernie, even though he won't get most of his crap done, he'll shake up the white house in a better way. Cruz and Kasich would be more predictable, but I really don't trust Kasich when it comes to avoiding wars.

    Also, cmon have a sense of humor, I thought the rubio one was pretty damn funny
    If Shillary is your 2nd to Trump, then you do support him. I don't know how any rational person could not see the danger of a Fascist state being implemented under a "Trump Administration". You might think it is funny, and I love the fact that he is destroying the GOP, but if he were actually elected (in my mind a 10% chance), the policies he would implement are not a joke. He's a serious threat to democracy as we know it. People think 1920's Italy could never happen here --- it can under the wrong toxic cir stances.

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    You already know Hillary is the worst choice for me, she'll probably throw us into another war on top of dealing with ISIS. I just think Trump will try to push the US to be less of a world police. I don't buy into that whole make america great again shtick, but he's just less capable of ing the country up - if he goes crazy, congress would just block him.
    You and I get along great but I dont get you on this.

    Trump is likelier to get us in a deeper mess we will not get out of any time soon.

    Hillary will up but it won't be a deep of a hole imo. Specially when she knows she's been watched. She's not going to get us in another war either. After the Iraq debable, ain't no way she'll be for another one again.

    Trump is far, far worse than Hillary. Based on how much of a wild card he is.

    Now when you actually consider what he might do...it gets worse.

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    If Shillary is your 2nd to Trump, then you do support him. I don't know how any rational person could not see the danger of a Fascist state being implemented under a "Trump Administration". You might think it is funny, and I love the fact that he is destroying the GOP, but if he were actually elected (in my mind a 10% chance), the policies he would implement are not a joke. He's a serious threat to democracy as we know it. People think 1920's Italy could never happen here --- it can under the wrong toxic cir stances.
    Executive orders don't give a president as much power as you'd think, Splits. The house has already been working on setting a precedent to challenge executive orders when Obama made changes to his healthcare plan. Let's be a little reasonable here and understand that Trump is unlikely to get irrational things through congress and an irrational executive order can be dealt with through our checks and balances. The second Trump tries to do some crazy crap, something that you just couldn't imagine happening, he'd get shut down and we'd see a combined effort to limit executive power further.

    Hilary, on the other hand, I feel would have a much better chance going through congress and I truly believe she is a certified warhawk. I'd put the farm on her starting another war aside from dealing with ISIS.

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    You and I get along great but I dont get you on this.

    Trump is likelier to get us in a deeper mess we will not get out of any time soon.

    Hillary will up but it won't be a deep of a hole imo. Specially when she knows she's been watched. She's not going to get us in another war either. After the Iraq debable, ain't no way she'll be for another one again.

    Trump is far, far worse than Hillary. Based on how much of a wild card he is.

    Now when you actually consider what he might do...it gets worse.
    It's cool we don't agree, Reck. I mean, we agree both are ty candidates- you just think Trump is tier.

    I hope I'm wrong and Hilary will be 4 more years of Obama. She's the likely president at the moment unless Trump keeps chugging along and getting away with murder.

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    I hope I'm wrong and Hilary will be 4 more years of Obama. She's the likely president at the moment unless Trump keeps chugging along and getting away with murder.
    That's basically what I'm banking on.

    4 More years of the same thing is a lot better than 4 more years of what Trump could do. That straight up scares me.

    I have no illusion that Hillary will actually improve the country.

    For some reason I think of North Korea when I think of a Trump presidency. Of course it won't be that bad but I genuinely think Trump would impede certain freedoms we enjoy and take from granted.

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    That's basically what I'm banking on.

    4 More years of the same thing is a lot better than 4 more years of what Trump could do. That straight up scares me.

    I have no illusion that Hillary will actually improve the country.

    For some reason I think of North Korea when I think of a Trump presidency. Of course it won't be that bad but I genuinely think Trump would impede certain freedoms we enjoy and take from granted.
    We'll see, Reck. I'm just hoping for Hilary to magically go to jail and Bernie to be nominated - he would easily beat any GOP candidate.

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    Right wing Republicans probably hate Trump a lot more than the moderates do.
    damn right

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    Trump knows this and he wants to bring in Europeans

    from CPAC 2013

    Well, he does like them - he married two European immigrants.

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    Well he's got rmt's vote.

    I dont understand how women can get behind him when he's clearly a sexist and absolutely not for them in the least.

    Luckily, I dont think it outweights the majority though.
    51% of the republican primary vote in Florida were women. Trump got 40% of them - that's 464,493 women. He got 26% of the Hispanic vote - that's 592,001. In contrast, Rubio got 52% of Hispanics. IMO, Trump is not racist, fascist, sexist or whatever or ist - he just says controversial stuff to get free media so he doesn't have to pay more than necessary out of his own pocket. Seems like what he says and what he does (employment-wise) doesn't match (see http://news.yahoo.com/whats-up-with-...090043983.html)

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