The "Committee"

[buttsR4rebounding]

You have to consider the defense too tbh. Despite that last game against GS, Green and Kawhi routinely give Curry and Klay trouble; , oftentimes Kawhi has taken Klay out of the game on offense. It isn't ridiculous to think, even with their improvements the last two seasons, that Wingstop can limit them to 50 points or less. Also, LMA has had several 40+ point games in the playoffs (in his last healthy postseason run no less) so expecting a consistent 30-35 points from him isn't too far out there. On top of that, Kawhi has been pretty consistent this season as the go-to guy averaging 20-25 points.

So then we get:
Curry/Klay: 50 points
Kawhi/LMA: 55 points

Makes it look better.

Also, GSW are not playing at the same level as they did at the beginning of the season. They are very lucky not to have at least 2 or 3 more losses. Since the beginning of February their defense has given up an average of 108 pts/game. The only teams they held under 104 points were the Hawks, Lakers and Jazz. If the Spurs' defense can reduce the GSW offense even slightly GSW will give up the points and the Spurs will be victorious.

[Chinook]

Let's put it this way. If an average Spurs performance combined with an average Warriors performance, the teams would have 97.1 possessions each. If we use ORtg as the basis for the predicted outcome, the Warriors would win that average match-up 111.3 to 107.6. If we use DRtg as the basis, the Spurs would win 100.7 to 94.91. Averaging both totals would give the Spurs a 104.2 to 103.1 victory. There is reason to assume the ratings down adequately reflect the teams' relative strengths, but it's at least as good of a measure as using PPG. It's at least as likely that the Spurs' defense will be a bigger factor in setting the tone of the series than GS' offense.

[SAGirl]

The spurs scoring efficiently is whats going to win them the series. It kills all the BS transition threes the warriors make

The 22 + TO we spotted them did us in. That simply can't happen. The team remains a worry bc the Curry/Parker matchup is so lopsided. I am not squarely on any camp concerning Tony scoring, but games like the one we had against OKC, where we didn't get anything from Tony/Danny/Manu or Patty are a concern. Maybe that is where Pop throws Kmart out there for a couple of minutes.

In general Tony/Manu being old and unreliable scoring or slashing to the rim (which used to be money-either score or FT) and Danny/Mills being jumpshooters who will be streaky is where we could have trouble scoring.

[Arcadian]

The Spurs have to focus on efficiency, not volume.

QFT

[midnightpulp]

OK, so what are you proposing? For Parker to take around 15 shots everynight? So instead of going 1 for 6 he can go 3 for 15? Seriously, please explain me your reasoning 'cause I don't get it and it's driving me mad.

Yes, if he was still playing like he was in Nov-Feb, but he's fallen off a cliff (again), so I no longer trust him to be as consistent as he was during his peak months. Committee or bust.

[dabom]

Mid finally getting it. Don't go "low IQ poster" again brah.

[dabom]

I hear you a good poster. Just need to dig a little harder for the diamonds.

[midnightpulp]

The spurs scoring efficiently is whats going to win them the series. It kills all the BS transition threes the warriors make

Some worries here:

The Spurs do the bulk of their damage from the mid-range, and mid-range 2's are the most inefficient shot in basketball. The last team to win a le with mid-range basketball were the Lakers, but they could fade that relatively inefficient style because they were one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the league. Another factor is that teams stupidly overplayed Kobe. Not to say Kawhi won't draw attention, but teams today are more careful about doubling on the perimeter.

LMA remains a concern. Not because I don't believe in his abilities, but because Golden State's swarming style is tough for any big to deal with (see what they did to Andre Drummond and other bigs [http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/201...ndre-drummond] . Admittedly Drummond and Jordan are not as skilled as LMA, but it gives you an idea of the kind of pressure they can put on opposing bigs).

This is why I wanted that "3rd [perimeter] scorer." When the swarms come (and they'll do so to Kawhi as well when he gets into the post), we need to punish with cutting and/or 3 point shooting (yes, I know that plays in GS's hands, but no 3 point shooting=no spacing). I don't have faith in the latter right now, so I thought if Parker was up to task, he could punish the Warriors with cutting and penetration. Manu potentially can as well, but up until this last week, he's been even more inconsistent than Parker.

Me wanting a 3rd guy (or guys/committee) has less to do with me wanting to see someone step up and more to do with the protection an extra threat can offer Kawhi and LMA. I don't care who it is. Manu, Parker, Patty, but they need to be someone GS "fears.". If I'm the Warriors, the Spurs perimeter role players don't scare me like they might've scared teams in 2014.

And when the 3rd guy is feared, then that opens things up for a 4th guy and a 5th and so on. If you want the committee to be the defacto 3rd guy, fair enough, but I just thinks it requires too many moving parts, especially when a few of those parts are aging and/or poor offensive players (Green).

We can bench Parker. I don't care. I just want a couple of guys on the perimeter to be able to answer the call. So Manu/Patty it is.

[midnightpulp]

You have to consider the defense too tbh. Despite that last game against GS, Green and Kawhi routinely give Curry and Klay trouble; , oftentimes Kawhi has taken Klay out of the game on offense. It isn't ridiculous to think, even with their improvements the last two seasons, that Wingstop can limit them to 50 points or less. Also, LMA has had several 40+ point games in the playoffs (in his last healthy postseason run no less) so expecting a consistent 30-35 points from him isn't too far out there. On top of that, Kawhi has been pretty consistent this season as the go-to guy averaging 20-25 points.

So then we get:
Curry/Klay: 50 points
Kawhi/LMA: 55 points

Makes it look better.

I was confident until that game, and until that beatdown, we were very much the Warriors proverbial daddies.

My only hope is that it was some kind of gamemanship on the Spurs part, because I don't think we can stop that offense. Sure, we'll stop it better than every other team, but I don't think to the point that gives us any kind of edge in a series.

Silver linings are:

Klay is a choker. Raymond is just an average scorer. They have some noted chokers/inexperience on their bench, like Barbosa, Livingston, Rush, etc.

[dabom]

Spurs are just the anti-warriors since forever. You don't need to over think it.

[PopTheGOAT]

You have to consider the defense too tbh. Despite that last game against GS, Green and Kawhi routinely give Curry and Klay trouble; , oftentimes Kawhi has taken Klay out of the game on offense. It isn't ridiculous to think, even with their improvements the last two seasons, that Wingstop can limit them to 50 points or less. Also, LMA has had several 40+ point games in the playoffs (in his last healthy postseason run no less) so expecting a consistent 30-35 points from him isn't too far out there. On top of that, Kawhi has been pretty consistent this season as the go-to guy averaging 20-25 points.

So then we get:
Curry/Klay: 50 points
Kawhi/LMA: 55 points

Makes it look better.

Depends on what you mean by consistent. He's not doing that every game. Maybe once a series isn't out of the question. He looks like he's getting more and more comfortable by the game, so who know where he'll be by then. But, I still don't think it's reasonable to expect 30-35 from a guy that's only scored 30+ once this season (36). I'd say around 25 is more reasonable. Until I see him string together a few 30+ games, I don't see it. I'd love to see it happen, though. We're gonna need the team to hit another gear or Kawhi/Aldridge to go beast mode.

[apalisoc_9]

Some worries here:

The Spurs do the bulk of their damage from the mid-range, and mid-range 2's are the most inefficient shot in basketball. The last team to win a le with mid-range basketball were the Lakers, but they could fade that relatively inefficient style because they were one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the league. Another factor is that teams stupidly overplayed Kobe. Not to say Kawhi won't draw attention, but teams today are more careful about doubling on the perimeter.

LMA remains a concern. Not because I don't believe in his abilities, but because Golden State's swarming style is tough for any big to deal with (see what they did to Andre Drummond and other bigs [http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/201...ndre-drummond] . Admittedly Drummond and Jordan are not as skilled as LMA, but it gives you an idea of the kind of pressure they can put on opposing bigs).

This is why I wanted that "3rd [perimeter] scorer." When the swarms come (and they'll do so to Kawhi as well when he gets into the post), we need to punish with cutting and/or 3 point shooting (yes, I know that plays in GS's hands, but no 3 point shooting=no spacing). I don't have faith in the latter right now, so I thought if Parker was up to task, he could punish the Warriors with cutting and penetration. Manu potentially can as well, but up until this last week, he's been even more inconsistent than Parker.

Me wanting a 3rd guy (or guys/committee) has less to do with me wanting to see someone step up and more to do with the protection an extra threat can offer Kawhi and LMA. I don't care who it is. Manu, Parker, Patty, but they need to be someone GS "fears.". If I'm the Warriors, the Spurs perimeter role players don't scare me like they might've scared teams in 2014.

And when the 3rd guy is feared, then that opens things up for a 4th guy and a 5th and so on. If you want the committee to be the defacto 3rd guy, fair enough, but I just thinks it requires too many moving parts, especially when a few of those parts are aging and/or poor offensive players (Green).

We can bench Parker. I don't care. I just want a couple of guys on the perimeter to be able to answer the call. So Manu/Patty it is.

I'm on my phone so I cant do a long response, but the spurs do take a decent and healthy amount of close shots. So long as lamarcus and Kawhi hits 48% averages, they should be fine.

Again, we're trying to avoid long rebounds here....if lma and kawhi can be average from and efficicency standpoint...it should be enough.

Current efficiency, current pace and current defence is what you really need against GSW. Pop is actually planning things out perfectly this year.

[AFMadison]

I'm on my phone so I cant do a long response, but the spurs do take a decent and healthy amount of close shots. So long as lamarcus and Kawhi hits 48% averages, they should be fine.

Again, we're trying to avoid long rebounds here....if lma and kawhi can be average from and efficicency standpoint...it should be enough.

Current efficiency, current pace and current defence is what you really need against GSW. Pop is actually planning things out perfectly this year.

Don't skip school kids.
Spurs just need to pick the ball movement up like I've been saying all year. Glad to see it finally happen in the 4th quarter against the Clips.

[apalisoc_9]

Don't skip school kids.
Spurs just need to pick the ball movement up like I've been saying all year. Glad to see it finally happen in the 4th quarter against the Clips.

This re still dreaming of 14 basketball...

[dabom]

Don't skip school kids.
Spurs just need to pick the ball movement up like I've been saying all year. Glad to see it finally happen in the 4th quarter against the Clips.

That ball movement is with Patty "Thrills" Mills.

[AFMadison]

This re still dreaming of 14 basketball...

Nah, I'm not advocating for motion offense, just more ball movement. Spurs are undefeated this year when they have 25+ assists a game. I'd love to see you argue with stats, but you'll probably just run away.

[dabom]

Nah, I'm not advocating for motion offense, just more ball movement. Spurs are undefeated this year when they have 25+ assists a game. I'd love to see you argue with stats, but you'll probably just run away.

These are cop out statements tbh. Spurs get more assists when playing weaker compe ion. got

[AFMadison]

That ball movement is with Patty "Thrills" Mills.

I agree? I'm not a player fan so I'm thinking you were expecting me to be butt hurt over that. Patty led with 6 assists against the dubs. Parker should have only played scrub minutes. Hopefully Tony will get his groove back.

[apalisoc_9]

Nah, I'm not advocating for motion offense, just more ball movement. Spurs are undefeated this year when they have 25+ assists a game. I'd love to see you argue with stats, but you'll probably just run away.

So cute

[AFMadison]

These are cop out statements tbh. Spurs get more assists when playing weaker compe ion. got

It's not a statement. It's a fact.

[dabom]

So cute

[100%duncan]

Yes, if he was still playing like he was in Nov-Feb, but he's fallen off a cliff (again), so I no longer trust him to be as consistent as he was during his peak months. Committee or bust.

Dude, you of all people knows that Parker cant stay consistent for a long period of time. And a 6-7 game series is one. You say each member of the committee is inconsistent? Yeah sure. But the probability of some of those members getting it going in a series is more reliable than parker scoring 15-20 in one.

[AFMadison]

I told you, you guys would run

[100%duncan]

Don't skip school kids.
Spurs just need to pick the ball movement up like I've been saying all year. Glad to see it finally happen in the 4th quarter against the Clips.

Spurs has a 39 year old Ginobili, a bored Diaw, and an on and off Green and Mills. Pop has basically put all his eggs in one basket, and that basket is kawhi-lma-plus the guys who are on on a given night. It's not going to be a an "all-team effort" anymore like 2014 simply because of the change in (style) personnel.

[AFMadison]

So cute

How are Ariza and Beal doing this year