A Poor Man's Elvin Hayes!?!?! C'mon Man!!

[Splits]

I didn't welch and my mother isn't a . And if I did welch, we're on the same level because people who call other guys' moms s just to be mean are just as bad (if not worse than) welchers.

Your mouth welched, you son of a .

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Your mouth welched, you son of a .

Except my mom isn't a , you .

[Splits]

Except my mom isn't a , you .

So you admit you're a welcher, got it.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So you admit you're a welcher, got it.

Better to be a welcher than a bully .

[sasaint]

Elvin Hayes was actually LEGIT, he sonned Kareem in college when he was untouchable:



In any case, Hayes would be 2005-06 Elton Brand in Timmay's era.

I believe you are at the same time both overstating and understating the greatness of the Big E. In the (admittedly historic) so-called game of the century, Hayes indeed played great and led the Cougars to a big win over Lew Alcindor's UCLA Bruins. However, Alcindor (later Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) had not fully recovered from an eye injury, which clearly hampered his play. The dominance of Hayes in that meeting is more than off-set by the re-match in the NCAA Tournament a few weeks later, when Alcindor and the Bruins dominated.

On the other hand I believe Hayes was a much better player than Elton Brand in his best season, but I really have no stats to support that belief. But having watched both in their day, I would say Elvin Hayes vs. Elton Brand is a no-brainier. He is still considered one of the top 50 players in NBA history. I am a bit of a homer, however, and I believe that it would be more accurate to look upon Hayes as a poor man's Tim Duncan. Again, I have no stats to support that belief - just the ol' eyeballs. But, Duncan/Hayes is a hypothetical match-up that I would have paid good money to watch.

[skulls138]

Why give attention to dumb s? Makes you look bad.

[hater]

Lots oc re s in this country. Just loom at Hillary Clinton voters

[Galileo]

Elvin Hayes was the greatest NBA players of the 1970s. Every bit as good as Tim Duncan.

[lilbthebasedgod]

How is that dumb? The only reason Elvin Hayes isn't easily the best PF ever is because of his weaker compe ion. I have no idea if it would translate, but its a valid opinion.

[r0drig0lac]

Elvin Hayes would get tortured by middle school players today.

wtf



Duncan > Hayes ...and Hayes was a beast

[DocDoc]

Elvin Hayes would get tortured by middle school players today.

BS. He was David West sized, excelent scorer, played in era with less defense. Would still be an all star. Might be SF in today's game.

I know your NBA history starts with K getting drafted, but there were great players before last week.

[Seventyniner]

Ouch.

To be clear, the idiot I was referring to was OP, not you.

[Mel_13]

To be clear, the idiot I was referring to was OP, not you.

That was clear to me. Just extending the joke.

[sasaint]

wtf



Duncan > Hayes ...and Hayes was a beast

This. You must have actually seen the Big E play, as I did.

[Harry Callahan]

I saw Hayes when he was at his peak. Really good player, but not at Tim Duncan's level. He was 6-9, with shorter arms. His rebounding stats were inflated due to inferior shooting for many of the players in the 1970s. IN addition, top players were playing more minutes than the current players do. Once again inflating stats.

Hayes was not as mobile as TD. He was not the defensive player Tim has been and still is.

Tim did not have finals appearances where his team was crushed in 4 games (1975) or 5 games (1979).

Also, Hayes was a lockerroom lawyer with a less than ideal demeanor.

Elvin was traded twice in his career going back and forth between the Bullets and the Rockets. In the early 80's, when the Rockets were tanking for either Ralph Sampson or Hakeem (don't remember which one - either 1983 or 1984), 36 year old Elvin Hayes played 48 minutes for the Rockets in a game just to insure Houston would lose the game.

[Thomas82]

To be clear, the idiot I was referring to was OP, not you.

The real idiot was the one that made those comments......I know better. All I did was share those idiotic comments from the poster that made them.

[Thomas82]

I saw Hayes when he was at his peak. Really good player, but not at Tim Duncan's level. He was 6-9, with shorter arms. His rebounding stats were inflated due to inferior shooting for many of the players in the 1970s. IN addition, top players were playing more minutes than the current players do. Once again inflating stats.

Hayes was not as mobile as TD. He was not the defensive player Tim has been and still is.

Tim did not have finals appearances where his team was crushed in 4 games (1975) or 5 games (1979).

Also, Hayes was a lockerroom lawyer with a less than ideal demeanor.

Elvin was traded twice in his career going back and forth between the Bullets and the Rockets. In the early 80's, when the Rockets were tanking for either Ralph Sampson or Hakeem (don't remember which one - either 1983 or 1984), 36 year old Elvin Hayes played 48 minutes for the Rockets in a game just to insure Houston would lose the game.

Thanks for the info!!

[Seventyniner]

That was clear to me. Just extending the joke.

I appear to have lost this round of the Subtle Games.

[sasaint]

I saw Hayes when he was at his peak. Really good player, but not at Tim Duncan's level. He was 6-9, with shorter arms. His rebounding stats were inflated due to inferior shooting for many of the players in the 1970s. IN addition, top players were playing more minutes than the current players do. Once again inflating stats.

Hayes was not as mobile as TD. He was not the defensive player Tim has been and still is.

Tim did not have finals appearances where his team was crushed in 4 games (1975) or 5 games (1979).

Also, Hayes was a lockerroom lawyer with a less than ideal demeanor.

Elvin was traded twice in his career going back and forth between the Bullets and the Rockets. In the early 80's, when the Rockets were tanking for either Ralph Sampson or Hakeem (don't remember which one - either 1983 or 1984), 36 year old Elvin Hayes played 48 minutes for the Rockets in a game just to insure Houston would lose the game.

The Big E was a great player on the court, but Tim is greater. And you are right; if you bring off-court issues into the discussion, there really is no comparison. Then again, if you bring off-court issues into the discussion who can be legitimately mentioned in the same breath as Timmy?

[Solid D]

Hayes was great but Duncan has been consistently better. I watched the famous game (when I was a kid) on TVS between Houston and UCLA in 1968, where Hayes scored 39 while Alcindor (Kareem) was just getting over an eye injury which had hospitalized him earlier that week. I also watched their other matchup that year where UCLA and Alcindor held Hayes to 10 points in the NCAA Final Four semifinals and beat Houston by 30+ points. Hayes didn't school anyone in that one.

Timmy has been a better two-way (both ends) player.

...............................Duncan Hayes
All Defensive 1st Team...8.........0
All-Defensive Team.......15........2
NBA Championships.......5.........1
Season MVP..................2.........0
Finals MVP....................3.........0
All-NBA 1st Team.........10........3
All-NBA Teams............15.........6

[Thomas82]

Hayes was great but Duncan has been consistently better. I watched the famous game (when I was a kid) on TVS between Houston and UCLA in 1968, where Hayes scored 39 while Alcindor (Kareem) was just getting over an eye injury which had hospitalized him earlier that week. I also watched their other matchup that year where UCLA and Alcindor held Hayes to 10 points in the NCAA Final Four semifinals and beat Houston by 30+ points. Hayes didn't school anyone in that one.

Timmy has been a better two-way (both ends) player.

...............................Duncan Hayes
All Defensive 1st Team...8.........0
All-Defensive Team.......15........2
NBA Championships.......5.........1
Season MVP..................2.........0
Finals MVP....................3.........0
All-NBA 1st Team.........10........3
All-NBA Teams............15.........6

Enough said!!