Church of Trump

[Splits]

Executive orders don't give a president as much power as you'd think, Splits. The house has already been working on setting a precedent to challenge executive orders when Obama made changes to his healthcare plan. Let's be a little reasonable here and understand that Trump is unlikely to get irrational things through congress and an irrational executive order can be dealt with through our checks and balances. The second Trump tries to do some crazy crap, something that you just couldn't imagine happening, he'd get shut down and we'd see a combined effort to limit executive power further.

Hilary, on the other hand, I feel would have a much better chance going through congress and I truly believe she is a certified warhawk. I'd put the farm on her starting another war aside from dealing with ISIS.

My Shillary stance is clear.

But you're missing my point, Congress would be nothing but an ant in a Trump admin. There would be no "checks and balances". Just exactly what are they going to do? File a court order? Hold 2 years worth of impeachment hearings? Big deal. He's the dear leader of the biggest military in the world (which he loves). His millions of "2nd Amendment" (which he loves) followers have his back. Fascists flout the rule of law.

Yes, American democratic ins utions are more hardened than anywhere else, but that doesn't mean the above scenario is not a real threat. History tends to repeat itself and we're not immune.

[Spurminator]

Jesus, those comics look like the Onion political cartoons. All they're missing is the Statue of Liberty fawning over Trump.

[Mitch]

My Shillary stance is clear.

But you're missing my point, Congress would be nothing but an ant in a Trump admin. There would be no "checks and balances". Just exactly what are they going to do? File a court order? Hold 2 years worth of impeachment hearings? Big deal. He's the dear leader of the biggest military in the world (which he loves). His millions of "2nd Amendment" (which he loves) followers have his back. Fascists flout the rule of law.

Yes, American democratic ins utions are more hardened than anywhere else, but that doesn't mean the above scenario is not a real threat. History tends to repeat itself and we're not immune.

I just don't see a scenerio where he could ccompletely ignore checks & balances, Splits. Executive orders don't have THAT much power or a president would have eliminated his own term limits by now. We also can't really turn into fascist Italy because we don't have a king who controls the military.

You can have your opinion and all, but know there's really no scenario we can become a dictatorship at the moment. There would have to be a huge betrayal of the people to cause an uprising which could make that happen.

[tlongII]

I just don't see a scenerio where he could ccompletely ignore checks & balances, Splits. Executive orders don't have THAT much power or a president would have eliminated his own term limits by now. We also can't really turn into fascist Italy because we don't have a king who controls the military.

You can have your opinion and all, but know there's really no scenario we can become a dictatorship at the moment. There would have to be a huge betrayal of the people to cause an uprising which could make that happen.

Bingo. And just who is more likely to betray the people of America? Hillary of course. She is a liar and a sneak. Trump may be a loudmouth, but he's not some sneaky hidden agenda .

[Splits]

I just don't see a scenerio where he could ccompletely ignore checks & balances, Splits. Executive orders don't have THAT much power or a president would have eliminated his own term limits by now. We also can't really turn into fascist Italy because we don't have a king who controls the military.

You can have your opinion and all, but know there's really no scenario we can become a dictatorship at the moment. There would have to be a huge betrayal of the people to cause an uprising which could make that happen.

He is openly flouting the law promising to torture "terrorists" (very fluid term) and kill their families. He's claimed there might be "30 million illegals", not the consensus 11-12. Just how would he deport them? He doesn't say, but obviously it would be impossible unless he sends SWAT teams into people's homes, puts them on buses, and ships them out without due process. Not long after, a "terrorist" and an "illegal" are the same thing.

You're right, we don't have a "king" we have a "commander in chief" that controls the military and people are brainwashed enough to swallow propaganda whole. The Presidency has extreme power. Just what is going to happen if he starts behaving like a dictator? He's displayed all of the characteristics of one with violent "us vs. them" rhetoric, he never backs down but doubles down, admires other strongmen leaders, didn't denounce the interment camps of the 40s etc. Just because we have laws doesn't mean he has to obey them or pay the consequences. An October ISIS surprise could send the pussies in this country (like 80% of the population) into hysteria. I'm not saying it is remotely likely, but to dismiss it outright is naive. We're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny.

[Sportcamper]

And just who is more likely to betray the people of America? Hillary of course.

[Reck]

51% of the republican primary vote in Florida were women. Trump got 40% of them - that's 464,493 women. He got 26% of the Hispanic vote - that's 592,001. In contrast, Rubio got 52% of Hispanics. IMO, Trump is not racist, fascist, sexist or whatever or ist - he just says controversial stuff to get free media so he doesn't have to pay more than necessary out of his own pocket. Seems like what he says and what he does (employment-wise) doesn't match (see http://news.yahoo.com/whats-up-with-...090043983.html)

Well he's nothing if not consistent. He's being saying these type of stuff for over 20 years now.

Didn't one of his ex wife accused him of rape or some ? He had to give her money to shut her up.

[Mitch]

He is openly flouting the law promising to torture "terrorists" (very fluid term) and kill their families. He's claimed there might be "30 million illegals", not the consensus 11-12. Just how would he deport them? He doesn't say, but obviously it would be impossible unless he sends SWAT teams into people's homes, puts them on buses, and ships them out without due process. Not long after, a "terrorist" and an "illegal" are the same thing.

You're right, we don't have a "king" we have a "commander in chief" that controls the military and people are brainwashed enough to swallow propaganda whole. The Presidency has extreme power. Just what is going to happen if he starts behaving like a dictator? He's displayed all of the characteristics of one with violent "us vs. them" rhetoric, he never backs down but doubles down, admires other strongmen leaders, etc. Just because we have laws doesn't mean he has to obey them or pay the consequences. An October ISIS surprise could send the pussies in this country (like 80% of the population) into hysteria. I'm not saying it is remotely likely, but to dismiss it outright is naive. We're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny.

You really have to filter out his rhetoric a little, Splits. Trump also says he will make Apple produce iphones in the US, do you believe that? The very worst that will happen is that he throws a tantrum and the government locks its doors for a week or two. Trump's authority isn't going to be any more than Obama, Bush, Clinton or Bush Sr. had. Trump would have to be a political mastermind to game the government so well as to push forward things that the House and Congress would reject with overwhelming majority.

The president does have a lot of power since it's just one guy with one third of the power. But you have the house and congress still, do you actually think they would be powerless? Do you think a president alone can sidestep congress writing laws, ratifying treaties and overturning vetoes? If trump even began to abuse executive powers in such a way that you fear, we would see the immediate response of a push to limit the power of the executive branch - which should happen anyways because the cons ution didn't design the powers of the president to have the media strength it does today.

[Splits]

You really have to filter out his rhetoric a little, Splits.

No, you don't.

Trump also says he will make Apple produce iphones in the US, do you believe that?

Why not?

The president does have a lot of power since it's just one guy with one third of the power. But you have the house and congress still, do you actually think they would be powerless? Do you think a president alone can sidestep congress writing laws, ratifying treaties and overturning vetoes?

Absolutely. Not under normal cir stances, but Trump is anything but normal.

If trump even began to abuse executive powers in such a way that you fear, we would see the immediate response of a push to limit the power of the executive branch - which should happen anyways because the cons ution didn't design the powers of the president to have the media strength it does today.

To which he would say " you, Martial law due to invasion from Mexico endangers public safety, put that in your article 1 section 9 pipe and ing smoke it".

Like I said, we're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny. Just because we have democratic ins utions does not mean they can't fail.

[Reck]

You have to see it both ways.

Bot of you make good points.

I can see Trump defying the law and trying to execute order all type of that congress tries to block.

You have to realize Trump is like a kid. He will try to do some crazy when denied. You dont think he wouldn't at least exercise some of the power he would have as president do you, Mitch?

[Mitch]

You have to see it both ways.

Bot of you make good points.

I can see Trump defying the law and trying to execute order all type of that congress tries to block.

You have to realize Trump is like a kid. He will try to do some crazy when denied. You dont think he wouldn't at least exercise some of the power he would have as president do you, Mitch?

Like I keep telling Splits, the executive orders aren't as powerful as they seem. Obama used one to change his healthcare plan and he took flak for it. If any president tries to truly abuse it, not make simply unpopular moves, he will get his ass handed to him by the combined effort of the House and Congress.

Trump is a smart guy, Reck. He has been involved in politics for decades, he is unlikely to just walk into congress and say "hey guys, im gonna send back 10 million hispanics, you in?". That's how he treats us, the voters, because he knows most of us don't know how to translate political talk. If you're smart, you talk to the voters in the simplest tone possible.

Unless he somehow suffered brain damage, I think he will be a different person if he's not catering to voters.
This would be an example

[Mitch]

No, you don't.



Why not?



Absolutely. Not under normal cir stances, but Trump is anything but normal.



To which he would say " you, Martial law due to invasion from Mexico endangers public safety, put that in your article 1 section 9 pipe and ing smoke it".

Like I said, we're not some special Godsent people immune from tyranny. Just because we have democratic ins utions does not mean they can't fail.

Splits, bro, there is no way he can take office and just piss on the House's and Congress' breakfast. The story might be different if he had 100,000,000 american people behind him, but he doesn't and he won't have any ability to walk through checks & balances.

[Splits]

Splits, bro, there is no way he can take office and just piss on the House's and Congress' breakfast. The story might be different if he had 100,000,000 american people behind him, but he doesn't and he won't have any ability to walk through checks & balances.

Disagree. All he needs is 2,000,000. They're called the US Armed Forces.

[Mitch]

Disagree. All he needs is 2,000,000. They're called the US Armed Forces.

Splits, the president can't tell northcom to just do what he says.

[Splits]

Like I keep telling Splits, the executive orders aren't as powerful as they seem.

Ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation? FDR used an executive order to have the military forcibly put the Japanese in internment camps during WWII. Clinton fought the Kosovo war with one. Truman took over federal control of all steel mills with one.

But you're right, they're just little pieces of paper the President keeps. Probably sticky notes in that silly Trump administration, just hang them on his wall as a reminder of what he said during the campaign that he would never try to act on!

[Splits]

Splits, the president can't tell northcom to just do what he says.

Right. That's never happened before. History never repeats itself.

[Mitch]

Right. That's never happened before. History never repeats itself.

Not in modern history at a fraction of the scale you believe, no.

[Mitch]

Trump is just making a joke out of this election

Here you go, Reck, this is some unprofessional crap to laugh at

[Reck]

Trump is just making a joke out of this election

Here you go, Reck, this is some unprofessional crap to laugh at

I love it.

This guy keeps playing junior high school type games with both parties. Theres no way the GOP will get behind this guy.

I dont get Trump. One day he says there will be a healing process within the GOP and the next day he s on Cruz and threatens that if he's not elected that his supporters will riot.

Too good.

[DMX7]

They'll get behind him and they'll like it... or he'll blow the whole thing up.

[Mitch]

I love it.

This guy keeps playing junior high school type games with both parties. Theres no way the GOP will get behind this guy.

I dont get Trump. One day he says there will be a healing process within the GOP and the next day he s on Cruz and threatens that if he's not elected that his supporters will riot.

Too good.

They just don't want to make America great again, tbh

He should tweet this

[DMX7]

They just don't want to make America great again, tbh

He should tweet this

Beautiful!

[Splits]

Beautiful!

[Reck]

And he was giving Hillary a hard time with Make America whole again.

At least she's not borrowing old slogans.

[rmt]

You really have to filter out his rhetoric a little, Splits. Trump also says he will make Apple produce iphones in the US, do you believe that? The very worst that will happen is that he throws a tantrum and the government locks its doors for a week or two. Trump's authority isn't going to be any more than Obama, Bush, Clinton or Bush Sr. had. Trump would have to be a political mastermind to game the government so well as to push forward things that the House and Congress would reject with overwhelming majority.

The president does have a lot of power since it's just one guy with one third of the power. But you have the house and congress still, do you actually think they would be powerless? Do you think a president alone can sidestep congress writing laws, ratifying treaties and overturning vetoes? If trump even began to abuse executive powers in such a way that you fear, we would see the immediate response of a push to limit the power of the executive branch - which should happen anyways because the cons ution didn't design the powers of the president to have the media strength it does today.

If Trump ever wins the presidency, he'll be so frustrated. It's unbelievable how slowly government moves and how many hoops you have to go through to get anything done. He'll be raring to go with so much to do and coming from private industry where things move quickly. Added to that, he doesn't really know how government really works. Sometimes, I think Cruz being VP would be a good thing - he can follow him around telling him, "No Donald, a president can't do that cons utionally."

And really, from everything that's been happening this season, Congress will have no problem blocking him, reprimanding him, even impeaching him. The establishment's done just about everything to him already. Everyone's already saying that he's INCITING riots from his quote about what might happen in Cleveland if they give the nomination to someone else, and he's just voicing what everyone's thinking.