Kawhi leads the league in RPM.

[midnightpulp]

And people think Wardell is a run away MVP candidate just because he makes threes. These two players are closer than the media thinks when you consider the total package.

[313]

Not sure if this is a bait for that throlden guy, but lol if you're being serious. Curry is about to shatter the PER record, among other records and he's leading his team to the best record in history. He's averaging 30 ppg on 50%+, the last two guys to do that? KD in 2014, and MJ in 92. Both won MVP.

[Fireball]

yep ... advanced statistics will not win MVP ... Curry will win and deservingly so

[DMC]

Pretty sure Curry could sit the rest of the season and still win it.

[apalisoc_9]

Its for sure a lot closer, people have crownes curry MVP though adternthe 24 game winning streak.. so its useless to talk about it.

[spursistan]

Kawhi is a tattooed ' ' with cornrows who lives in San Antonio..his brand of quite dominance is going to suffer exposure-wise a la Duncan..Even if next year Curry comes down to earth, and Leonard replicates or improve upon his season, he will have somebody giving him run for his money more than he should..like watch a 48-win Pelican team has Davis as frontrunner for MVP in 2017 just because he is emptily swatting it in the stands..

[SpursFan86]

Kawhi is a tattooed ' ' with cornrows who lives in San Antonio

Meh, I'm sure it has more to do with Kawhi's underwhelming (by MVP standards) box score numbers, which we all know many people still use to judge players Since the 3-point era, only Nash has won MVP while averaging fewer points than what Kawhi is averaging this year.

I mean sure, Kawhi's demeanor + him playing in SA might play some role in how the media views him...but to act like that's the main reason why he isn't getting as much coverage as Steph is pretty dumb IMO.

Steph is leading the league in scoring and TS%. That's only been done once in the history of the league. We all know the media cares more about offense than defense, so while Kawhi might be having a DPOTY-caliber year, that unfortunately isn't going to matter as much as having arguably the GOAT offensive season like Steph is doing. Factor in the Warriors being on pace to break the single season record for wins, and that seals the deal.

I think those things matter far more than Kawhi being a "tattooed "

[SpursFan86]

I will say that Kawhi has brought the race much closer than I ever expected him to...a while back when OP brought this up I thought it wasn't even a discussion. Kawhi has forced his way into the race and I do think he might get a few votes (maybe even more than that if the Spurs manage to win 2 or even 3 of these last games vs. GS), although I still think Steph is the clear-cut choice and should win MVP.

[TDomination]

Curry is a great player and very entertaining. He's got the entire Media at the palm of his hands, everyone is in love with him.

BUT, if you think on purely basketball, you have a guy who is outstanding on offense and good on defense (Curry). Then you have another guy is great on offense and outstanding on defense (Kawhi).

You say Curry avgs 30ppg. Yeah that'll happen when you attempt more 3's then you do 2's for the year. Curry has shot over 700 three pointers for the year. Thats almost 500 more than Leonard. Plus, with Currys team, if they aint scoring OVER 100, they aint winning. Of all the games the warriors have failed to score 100 or more, they have lost all but one. Granted it was only a handful of times but its obvious they base their entire game on 3 point shooting.

And last, Most people would say that the best thing Curry does is 3 pt shooting. Well Kawhi is better at that as well % wise.

Maybe Kawhi should stop driving to the hole, and posting up and taking mid range jumpers and just shoot 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3. Then maybe he will get the attention he deserves. Oh and don't forget the chest pumping.

[RD2191]

Curry is a great player and very entertaining. He's got the entire Media at the palm of his hands, everyone is in love with him.

BUT, if you think on purely basketball, you have a guy who is outstanding on offense and good on defense (Curry). Then you have another guy is great on offense and outstanding on defense (Kawhi).

You say Curry avgs 30ppg. Yeah that'll happen when you attempt more 3's then you do 2's for the year. Curry has shot over 700 three pointers for the year. Thats almost 500 more than Leonard. Plus, with Currys team, if they aint scoring OVER 100, they aint winning. Of all the games the warriors have failed to score 100 or more, they have lost all but one. Granted it was only a handful of times but its obvious they base their entire game on 3 point shooting.

And last, Most people would say that the best thing Curry does is 3 pt shooting. Well Kawhi is better at that as well % wise.

Maybe Kawhi should stop driving to the hole, and posting up and taking mid range jumpers and just shoot 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3. Then maybe he will get the attention he deserves. Oh and don't forget the chest pumping.

Muh .

[pgardn]

I have never seen a player improve his basketball skills more than this kid. Maybe Hakeem because he started so late. The game against the Thunder he actually got knocked sideways while dribbling, fell to his side, did a Curly Neal and got right back up as if it was nothing. We looked at him as a defensive player/athlete in the draft and got so much more out of him. I know we have the guys to train him but good God...

We need him to hit a couple of game winners in the playoffs. I think this would elevate him to the next level.

[SpursFan86]

Curry is a great player and very entertaining. He's got the entire Media at the palm of his hands, everyone is in love with him.

BUT, if you think on purely basketball, you have a guy who is outstanding on offense and good on defense (Curry). Then you have another guy is great on offense and outstanding on defense (Kawhi).

You say Curry avgs 30ppg. Yeah that'll happen when you attempt more 3's then you do 2's for the year. Curry has shot over 700 three pointers for the year. Thats almost 500 more than Leonard. Plus, with Currys team, if they aint scoring OVER 100, they aint winning. Of all the games the warriors have failed to score 100 or more, they have lost all but one. Granted it was only a handful of times but its obvious they base their entire game on 3 point shooting.

And last, Most people would say that the best thing Curry does is 3 pt shooting. Well Kawhi is better at that as well % wise.

Maybe Kawhi should stop driving to the hole, and posting up and taking mid range jumpers and just shoot 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3. Then maybe he will get the attention he deserves. Oh and don't forget the chest pumping.

The thing is, Curry isn't just "outstanding" on offense. He's having arguably the greatest offensive season of all-time. As amazing as Kawhi is on defense, his defense isn't particularly close to being as valuable as Curry's offense.

You act like Curry averaging 30 ppg is just a result of him chucking up a ton of shots. Of all the players in the history of the league to average 30+ ppg in a season, only 2 players have done so while taking fewer shots. He's having the most efficient 30+ ppg season of all-time with a 68 TS%. Like I said in my first post, he's on pace to be the 2nd player in NBA history to lead the league in PPG and TS% in the same season. Having that sort of efficiency while scoring with that volume is unheard of.

Sorry but it's ridiculous to point out how Kawhi is shooting better % from 3 and say "well if Kawhi just took more 3s he could get as much attention as Curry!". Curry is taking almost 3 times as many 3s as Kawhi. 55% of Curry's 3s are assisted; 88% of Kawhi's 3s are assisted. Do you really think Kawhi could take 11 3s a game and continue shooting 46%? Of course not. No one in the history of the league could/can do what Curry is doing now. Keep in mind Curry is doing all of this while teams are tuning their entire defensive schemes to stop him. Not saying that teams aren't focusing on Kawhi, but let's be real...the amount of attention Kawhi draws on offense isn't even close in comparison to Curry.

I agree that Curry has the media wrapped around his finger and that he's the sweetheart of the league right now...But come on, there's at least a reason everyone is obsessed with him right now. He's doing that no one has ever seen before. He's making guys like Ray Allen and Reggie Miller look like scrubs in comparison when talking about shooting. By pretty much every metric out there, Curry is having a top 5-10 season of all-time. Throw in the Warriors being 61-6 and you have your MVP.

[spurraider21]

Lol curry only scores so much because he's attempted so many threes

Let's see how successful Leonard would be if he put up 700 three point attempts

[RD2191]

Lol curry only scores so much because he's attempted so many threes

Let's see how successful Leonard would be if he put up 700 three point attempts

Curry is a got.

[keeferob25]

Curry is a great player and very entertaining. He's got the entire Media at the palm of his hands, everyone is in love with him.

BUT, if you think on purely basketball, you have a guy who is outstanding on offense and good on defense (Curry). Then you have another guy is great on offense and outstanding on defense (Kawhi).

You say Curry avgs 30ppg. Yeah that'll happen when you attempt more 3's then you do 2's for the year. Curry has shot over 700 three pointers for the year. Thats almost 500 more than Leonard. Plus, with Currys team, if they aint scoring OVER 100, they aint winning. Of all the games the warriors have failed to score 100 or more, they have lost all but one. Granted it was only a handful of times but its obvious they base their entire game on 3 point shooting.

And last, Most people would say that the best thing Curry does is 3 pt shooting. Well Kawhi is better at that as well % wise.

Maybe Kawhi should stop driving to the hole, and posting up and taking mid range jumpers and just shoot 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3 after 3. Then maybe he will get the attention he deserves. Oh and don't forget the chest pumping.

Sorry fam...I understand your point but you have sold Curry massively short...he hasnt been "outstanding" on offense...he's been HISTORIC on offense...look back at history's greatest offensive forces...and this guy is shattering ALL OF THEM. You are simply saying "all he does is shoot 3's" as if that should be some sort of penalty against him. He's revolutionized the 3 point shot as a weapon. He's LITERALLY a threat the second he crosses the half court line. Please tell me who in the history of the game has been able to have that said about them. They WILL break the Bulls regular season record. We all know it. That's beyond incredible because there are MANY that thought that was impossible in this more modern era. Think about the fact that the Miami heat couldn't even do it in a ridiculously WEAK conference with two mega superstars and an allstar.

[100%duncan]

Lol curry only scores so much because he's attempted so many threes

Let's see how successful Leonard would be if he put up 700 three point attempts

He'd make 328 threes.

[pgardn]

Lol curry only scores so much because he's attempted so many threes

Let's see how successful Leonard would be if he put up 700 three point attempts

Curry has a huge comfort zone on these shots. KLs are much more selective. KL would be forcing 3s if he took this many.

[spurraider21]

He'd make 328 threes.

[NameLess Scrub]

Arguing only serves our entertaining.

All of you know, deep in your hearts, Curry is the obvious MVP.
He's ruining the game and I wish he missed all the bad shots he takes, but still MVP.

[TDomination]

The thing is, Curry isn't just "outstanding" on offense. He's having arguably the greatest offensive season of all-time. As amazing as Kawhi is on defense, his defense isn't particularly close to being as valuable as Curry's offense.

You act like Curry averaging 30 ppg is just a result of him chucking up a ton of shots. Of all the players in the history of the league to average 30+ ppg in a season, only 2 players have done so while taking fewer shots. He's having the most efficient 30+ ppg season of all-time with a 68 TS%. Like I said in my first post, he's on pace to be the 2nd player in NBA history to lead the league in PPG and TS% in the same season. Having that sort of efficiency while scoring with that volume is unheard of.

Sorry but it's ridiculous to point out how Kawhi is shooting better % from 3 and say "well if Kawhi just took more 3s he could get as much attention as Curry!". Curry is taking almost 3 times as many 3s as Kawhi. 55% of Curry's 3s are assisted; 88% of Kawhi's 3s are assisted. Do you really think Kawhi could take 11 3s a game and continue shooting 46%? Of course not. No one in the history of the league could/can do what Curry is doing now. Keep in mind Curry is doing all of this while teams are tuning their entire defensive schemes to stop him. Not saying that teams aren't focusing on Kawhi, but let's be real...the amount of attention Kawhi draws on offense isn't even close in comparison to Curry.

I agree that Curry has the media wrapped around his finger and that he's the sweetheart of the league right now...But come on, there's at least a reason everyone is obsessed with him right now. He's doing that no one has ever seen before. He's making guys like Ray Allen and Reggie Miller look like scrubs in comparison when talking about shooting. By pretty much every metric out there, Curry is having a top 5-10 season of all-time. Throw in the Warriors being 61-6 and you have your MVP.

Thanks for the reply. Just curious, where do you get the TS% from?

Before Curry started shooting so many 3's his first few years, i'm sure most would have said that if he were to shoot 400 more 3's his % would go down. But he's proven the last few years thats not the case. In fact this year i believe it is his highest %. So im sure he proved people wrong.

Kawhi entered the NBA as a great defensive player but avg offensive player. In a few years he has turned that around and has become great at it. Proving a lot of people wrong.

So i don't know if Kawhi would be able to keep his % up if he shot 500 more 3's. Probably not, but you wouldn't have thought so with Curry too a few years back. So we wouldn't know until it actually happened which we all know it won't. So at this point its pure speculation. But what i do know is that our best defender, our defensive player of the year actually has a better % behind the arc than the guy who is having a historic year from there. Which is something in itself.

Now if we were just talking Kawhis offense vs Currys offense, of course Kawhi comes no where near Curry. I understand that.

But Kawhi plays great on both sides of the balls. You know Kawhi is an amazing defender. We saw the difference in scoring when he came back to the line up after the all star break. he makes a HUGE difference on our defense.

Yeah GS is 61-6, but we're only talking 4 game difference. hopefully 3 after Saturday. And take into account that we needed games to get our new guys acclimated to our system. We should have never lost that opening game and that wizards game in the beginning of the year. But it happened. But even with that, the Spurs are having a historic year of their own and a lot of has to do with Kawhi.

I know Curry will probably win it this year and I understand why, like you posted earlier, media loves offense more than defense.

But i believe like some others that it is much closer than the media would have you realize.

[MVPCues]

The thing is, Curry isn't just "outstanding" on offense. He's having arguably the greatest offensive season of all-time. As amazing as Kawhi is on defense, his defense isn't particularly close to being as valuable as Curry's offense.

You act like Curry averaging 30 ppg is just a result of him chucking up a ton of shots. Of all the players in the history of the league to average 30+ ppg in a season, only 2 players have done so while taking fewer shots. He's having the most efficient 30+ ppg season of all-time with a 68 TS%. Like I said in my first post, he's on pace to be the 2nd player in NBA history to lead the league in PPG and TS% in the same season. Having that sort of efficiency while scoring with that volume is unheard of.

Sorry but it's ridiculous to point out how Kawhi is shooting better % from 3 and say "well if Kawhi just took more 3s he could get as much attention as Curry!". Curry is taking almost 3 times as many 3s as Kawhi. 55% of Curry's 3s are assisted; 88% of Kawhi's 3s are assisted. Do you really think Kawhi could take 11 3s a game and continue shooting 46%? Of course not. No one in the history of the league could/can do what Curry is doing now. Keep in mind Curry is doing all of this while teams are tuning their entire defensive schemes to stop him. Not saying that teams aren't focusing on Kawhi, but let's be real...the amount of attention Kawhi draws on offense isn't even close in comparison to Curry.

I agree that Curry has the media wrapped around his finger and that he's the sweetheart of the league right now...But come on, there's at least a reason everyone is obsessed with him right now. He's doing that no one has ever seen before. He's making guys like Ray Allen and Reggie Miller look like scrubs in comparison when talking about shooting. By pretty much every metric out there, Curry is having a top 5-10 season of all-time. Throw in the Warriors being 61-6 and you have your MVP.

"There is iron in your words..." - Chief Ten Bears

[TDomination]

Arguing only serves our entertaining.

All of you know, deep in your hearts, Curry is the obvious MVP.
He's ruining the game and I wish he missed all the bad shots he takes, but still MVP.

I'll agree to that

[NameLess Scrub]

Thanks for the reply. Just curious, where do you get the TS% from?

Before Curry started shooting so many 3's his first few years, i'm sure most would have said that if he were to shoot 400 more 3's his % would go down. But he's proven the last few years thats not the case. In fact this year i believe it is his highest %. So im sure he proved people wrong.

Kawhi entered the NBA as a great defensive player but avg offensive player. In a few years he has turned that around and has become great at it. Proving a lot of people wrong.

So i don't know if Kawhi would be able to keep his % up if he shot 500 more 3's. Probably not, but you wouldn't have thought so with Curry too a few years back. So we wouldn't know until it actually happened which we all know it won't. So at this point its pure speculation. But what i do know is that our best defender, our defensive player of the year actually has a better % behind the arc than the guy who is having a historic year from there. Which is something in itself.

Now if we were just talking Kawhis offense vs Currys offense, of course Kawhi comes no where near Curry. I understand that.

But Kawhi plays great on both sides of the balls. You know Kawhi is an amazing defender. We saw the difference in scoring when he came back to the line up after the all star break. he makes a HUGE difference on our defense.

Yeah GS is 61-6, but we're only talking 4 game difference. hopefully 3 after Saturday. And take into account that we needed games to get our new guys acclimated to our system. We should have never lost that opening game and that wizards game in the beginning of the year. But it happened. But even with that, the Spurs are having a historic year of their own and a lot of has to do with Kawhi.

I know Curry will probably win it this year and I understand why, like you posted earlier, media loves offense more than defense.

But i believe like some others that it is much closer than the media would have you realize.

Back in the 90's we used to play a lot of NBA Jam in the neighborhood.
I loved to use the Bulls, even with no Jordan. Pippen/Horace was a great duo.
I could work hard to defend and make 2s. Pippen was adequate from 3. Horace wasn't.

One of my friends did something interesting. He started using the Larry/Mourning Hornets. For some reason, he was able to make lots of 3s with them.

My brother answered by using guess who? The frigging Warriors! Mulllin/Hardaway was a great 3pt shooting tandem.

Even with no fireball cheat, games became 3pt shooting contests, if we planned to win. I still had to rely on good ol' defense, mid range and simple dunks (we all also found a way to deny the spectacular dunks). I was able to win some times, but it became increasingly hard.

The NBA right now is that NBA Jam, except headlined by Curry. It doesn't matter how good your defense or your other aspects of the game are. He make 3s (along with being a ridiculous ball handler and finisher of course). Nobody has been able to shoot like him and Kawhi nor anyone else would be able to shoot like Curry due to the way he shoots and makes so many unassisted and extra long 3s with the efficiency he does.

Curry is the MVP, and I'm just hoping that the POs shift things more in the Spurs favor and we are able to watch defense, post ups and all those aspects win les except the video game shooting that is Steph Curry.

[TDomination]

Lol curry only scores so much because he's attempted so many threes

Let's see how successful Leonard would be if he put up 700 three point attempts

If Pop changes the system and wants Kawhi starts shooting 25+ 3's a game. I'm sure Kawhi would take it to heart and start shooting 1000 3's every day in practice until he's extremely comfortable with every angle and spot. I'm sure he would still have a good %.

[spurraider21]

lol

kawhi could be curry if he wanted to be