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    They both beat him handily.

    Does it really matter if you beat him by 20 points or 13? The answer is not really.
    Trump vs Hillary os well within the margin of error. Both are HIGHLY unfavorable candidates, which means volatility rules election day.

    Of coursr Bernie soundly beats Trump and Cruz, but who cares about that independent vote... lol

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    That's perfect, hahah.

    Where did you get that?

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    That's perfect, hahah.

    Where did you get that?
    The social media platform whose mascot is indeed a bird

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    .....Birdy Sanders.........rocks!

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    74% in Washington (11% reporting)
    82% in Alaska (15% reporting)

    King Bernie

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    nobody likes neocon Shillary

    democrats

    Think they will dance their way to the white house. Shiklary can't even beat a dead carcasss

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    nobody likes neocon Shillary

    democrats

    Think they will dance their way to the white house. Shiklary can't even beat a dead carcasss
    Hillary is winning almost entirely on her name brand and connections. Her record sucks.

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    Strong showing by Bern, he needed statement wins badly. If he can somehow at least stay close to Hillary in NY he's got the momentum needed to win.
    Last edited by Mitch; 03-26-2016 at 06:54 PM.

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    Hillary is winning almost entirely on her name brand and connections. Her record sucks.
    This was expected. He wins caucuses, she wins primaries.

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    Strong showing by Bern, he needed statement wins badly. If he can somehow at least stay close to Hillary in NY he's got the momentum needed to win.
    Realistically, he needs to win in New York.

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    Realistically, he needs to win in New York.
    Would be quite a shocker if he did, tbh. Hillary was up close to 70% last poll

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    I am looking at that April 26 date. That will really make or break his campaign. If he loses New York then loses Pennsylvania, Connecticut. Maryland and Delaware the next week, he's just done.

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    Realistically, he needs to win in New York.
    He needs California far more than NY imho.

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    He needs California far more than NY imho.
    He needs both a lot.

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    He needs California far more than NY imho.
    Yeah he does. But the question is, will California even come into play by then?

    April is key. Between New York and Pennsylvania there are 436 delegates to pick up just between those 2 states. If he loses even one of those states, he's essentially finished.

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    He needs California far more than NY imho.
    Needs both or Hilary will squeeze out a victory even if Bernie completely dominates afterwards.

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    Yeah he does. But the question is, will California even come into play by then?

    April is key. Between New York and Pennsylvania there are 436 delegates to pick up just between those 2 states. If he loses even one of those states, he's essentially finished.
    Depends on what goal youre aiming for. I think Bernies plan is simply extending the race all the way to the DNC, at which point, he argues he is the more viable candidate to win the presidency vs (Trump). Which is actually a solid one. Bernie absolutely DOES poll much better among independents than either front runner and has a much higher likability rating. Most if not all of Hillary's "normal" delegate lead comes from sweeping solid red states that will very likely not go any Democrats way in the general election.

    As i always said, it is a long shot and most likely setting up a huge letdown for us folks feelin the Bern. But still well within the realm of possibility.

    I admit Most candidates should give up in this scenario, but the root problem they all experience, lack of donations, is NOT an issue for bernie.

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    Most if not all of Hillary's "normal" delegate lead comes from sweeping solid red states that will very likely not go any Democrats way in the general election.
    She won Florida by a huge margin, won Virginia pretty big, had a decent win in Ohio, and another in North Carolina, which will all be critical in this election. The only battleground state Sanders has won soundly was Colorado. I guess some people will count Minnesota too, but they haven't given electoral votes to a Republican presidential candidate since Nixon. Clinton also won big in Louisiana, and could have an outside chance at flipping that state considering how pissed people are at Jindal and since they have a Democratic governor now and had another one before Jindal. I don't buy that Bernie's a stronger candidate than Clinton for the presidency, as much as I think he'd be a far superior president. Clinton is winning the states that matter in this election, not just the red states in the south.

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    I agree to an extent, but then again, Berne wont be running vs Hillary in those battleground states, he will be facing Trump. For instance I dont honestly remember every demographics votes in every state, but lower income blacks really pushed her over the top in a big way in several of her wins. Those people would be voting for Bernie if he gained the nomination. And then theres the fact independents vastly favor Bernie. Then again, the Republican turnout is record breaking while many democrats (cough hillary supporters) are lethargic. They dont really love Shillary and Bernies proposal are radically progressive (relatively speaking). Meanwhile Bernies stranglehold on the below 35 vote is misleading since many folks in that age range dont get out and vote unfortunately.

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    I agree to an extent, but then again, Berne wont be running vs Hillary in those battleground states, he will be facing Trump. For instance I dont honestly remember every demographics votes in every state, but lower income blacks really pushed her over the top in a big way in several of her wins. Those people would be voting for Bernie if he gained the nomination. And then theres the fact independents vastly favor Bernie. Then again, the Republican turnout is record breaking while many democrats (cough hillary supporters) are lethargic. They dont really love Shillary and Bernies proposal are radically progressive (relatively speaking). Meanwhile Bernies stranglehold on the below 35 vote is misleading since many folks in that age range dont get out and vote unfortunately.
    I don't think those black voters in battleground states will show up to vote for Sanders like they will Clinton, and high black turnout is about the most important thing for Democrats in this election. The white Bernie supporters probably will come out and vote for Clinton when the alternative is Trump, Cruz, or Ryan. Independents might favor Bernie but Trump's racism isn't going to play well in a nation that just elected a black man president twice upon independent votes, and then the far right guys like Cruz and Ryan don't seem to hold appeal to independents. So I'd be floored if Clinton didn't win the independents in a general election. Of course ISIS could do Trump a solid and execute a successful attack here and terrified Americans probably would vote him in. But short of that I think the is in the driver's seat.

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    I don't think those black voters in battleground states will show up to vote for Sanders like they will Clinton, and high black turnout is about the most important thing for Democrats in this election. The white Bernie supporters probably will come out and vote for Clinton when the alternative is Trump, Cruz, or Ryan. Independents might favor Bernie but Trump's racism isn't going to play well in a nation that just elected a black man president twice upon independent votes, and then the far right guys like Cruz and Ryan don't seem to hold appeal to independents. So I'd be floored if Clinton didn't win the independents in a general election. Of course ISIS could do Trump a solid and execute a successful attack here and terrified Americans probably would vote him in. But short of that I think the is in the driver's seat.
    Cant say I disagree with your analysis. This has been Hillary Clinton's campaign to lose since day 1.

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    Cant say I disagree with your analysis. This has been Hillary Clinton's campaign to lose since day 1.
    I think is very telling she didn't make any efforts to win either of the 3 states that were up for today. She only spent like 50k between the 3 states or something like that I read. She got balls.

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    On Hawaii..
    The Sanders campaign is spending big in search of a blowout. In the last month, the Sanders campaign spent $230,000 on state TV and radio ads while the Clinton campaign has spent just $40,000.
    On Alaska..
    the Sanders campaign has spent $61,000 on TV and radio advertising in March while Clinton has not spent any money.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...hington-221239

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    I think is very telling she didn't make any efforts to win either of the 3 states that were up for today. She only spent like 50k between the 3 states or something like that I read. She got balls.
    Shes playing her hand exactly as she should though tbh. Shes been attempting to gear up for the general for, what, 4 months no?

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