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Not impossible due to Robinson's no ring history. One post Duncan championship could be enough. But d Rob was pretty much the two way player kawhi is. It seems weird to say kawhi will clear him...a tie is more likely.
Just for fun...make the case...what's Kawhis actual ceiling?
Not really a super bold prediction. The argument could be made that kawhi is already very close or even already there.
Kawhi top 3 all time or goat
Top 3 spur? Sure. Top 3 all time or goat spur no. Timmy will most likely hold the top spur ranking for at least the next 20 - 30 years And probably beyond that
He has 2 rings.
K is old and senile. He tends to forget things sometimes
In Robinson's first full 10 seasons as a player, he never finished lower than 6th on season PER.
89-90 26.35 5th (as a rookie)
90-91 27.43 3rd
91-92 27.51 2nd
92-93 24.19 6th
93-94 30.66 1st
94-95 29.13 1st
95-96 29.41 1st
96-97 INJURED
97-98 27.85 3rd [T. Duncan] 22.63 5th (as a rookie)
98-99 24.91 3rd [T. Duncan] 23.21 7th
99-00 24.55 5th [T. Duncan] 24.78 4th
This is Kawhi's first year in the top 10 in said category (5th at 25.95 currently). Kawhi's benefit is having Pop as coach and his tremendous work ethic is paying off. He has the benefit of coming in to a polished Spurs System that maximizes his talents. It wasn't until Holt purchased the Spurs that the culture changed. The Red McCombs years were disastrous for their lack of iden y and support.
Heck, Kawhi's "second banana" in LM Aldridge is way better than David ever had until Duncan arrived.
Not the an apples-to-apples comparison IMO.
Threw up a little in my mouth when I read that Robinson (the reason I'm a Spurs fan) has zero rings.
WTF man....
I thought it was clear that it was no rings as an alpha. You never count Robinson's 1999&2003 rings. Those are Duncan's. You try to.2-2 Robinson and Hakeem and you get laughed at. This is ranking all time greats. You have to qualify les as lead vs role player.
Come back in another 10 years and we can talk.
David robinson is overrated
the only one getting laughed at is you
Underrated guy was a freak.
Idk...I'm not a Robinson fanboy (I know we have a few here), but David was a 30 ppg scorer AND best defender in the world at his peak...and he was an all-star level player from day 1, whereas Kawhi needed a few years to develop.
Yeah really. And he'd have more rings if he had half the talent TD's had for most of his career, not to say TD isn't the greatest Spur of all-time but still...
Yeah I'm not sure OP was old enough to watch Robinson play the game.
Kawhi is a very good player and a one in a million talent. While it's certainly possible he'll pass Robinson I'm not sure it's a certainty. Robinson was an absolute monster back in the day. Like a brutal life destroying basketball monster. He would have ate the Monstars from space jam alive.
Gonna have to see that compared to Kawhi's stats before I can admit that into evidence, tbh.
Nobody will ever be above Timmy. Ever.
Holeesheet re convention just got off I see
Well, you know that PER numbers care more about offense than the two ends, it's not surprising that Kawhi has his first season in top 5 averaging +20 points...
Also, having Pop as coach, makes Kawhi doesn't play too many minutes or take too many shots.
David Robinson in his best season took 20.7 FGA per game and played 40.5 mpg.
Kawhi Leonard in his best season is taking 15 FGA per game and playing 34 mpg
Of course "not the an apples-to-apples comparison" because Kawhi will never have the chance to play DRob minutes or take that many shots.
D-Rob is a top 15-20 player of all-time. I'd say it's pretty bold to state Kawhi will finish ahead of him, and it's ridiculous to say he's already very close.
Your point would be valid if D-rob was offense only.
He was defensive poy, 4 time defensive first team, and 4 time defensive second team.
AND his per led the league for years, AND he carried the team when the rest of the supporting cast was crap, AND he scored as a volume shooter.
Kawhi is a special, and I think the best 2 way player in the league. His offense is slowing catching up to his D. He is the best wing defender, and probably a top 10 offensive player today.
Kawhi, if he has a decent number of healthy years hopefully, is headed for top 3 spurs of all time, passing gervin, and joining drob and tim.
If Kawhi leads a spurs team to a championship, I can at least see the argument about him being #2, but it is just premature today.
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