Church of Trump

[DMX7]

The media has to sensationalize everything -- it's disgusting! Trump even walked back the comment but that won't stop MSNBC from spending almost the entire news cycle celebrating its "gotcha" moment.

[hater]

This abortion issue may be the dumbest thing yet. If abortion is illegal, and a woman gets one, she absolutely SHOULD be punished for it. Like seriously, what the is wrong with this world? Does the word "illegal" have a different meaning now?

And no, potential assholes, I'm not pro-life. I'm just shocked that people on both sides can be attacking Trump for making one of his most reasonable statements ever.

Pretty much spot on. Win win situation by Trump..hes pit the neocons, liberals, media and feminazis in a virtual headlock

He's just enjoying himself at this point

[boutons_deux]

This abortion issue may be the dumbest thing yet. If abortion is illegal, and a woman gets one, she absolutely SHOULD be punished for it.

how about the person, esp a male, who performed the abortion?

how about the male impregnator who is an accomplice to, perhaps instigator of, the abortion?

or is it only the woman who is to be punished?

btw, Ms of American women had abortions prior to Roe v Wade, in America, and many were wives, daughters, friends, lovers of men like cops, judges, pastors, lawyers and other men in establishment positions. How many of those men were punished when abortion was illegal?

You People are truly misogynist, sexist pigs.

[Chinook]

how about the person, esp a male, who performed the abortion?

Yep. Drug dealers and drug users are both punished. It's not a big legal conundrum.

how about the male impregnator who who is an accomplice to, perhaps instigator of, the abortion?

If he aids in the abortion, then yes, but to a lesser extent. A person telling you to use drugs isn't breaking the law. A person driving you to pick them up is. Simply getting a woman pregnant isn't close to setting up the abortion, so absolutely not.

or is it only the woman who is to be punished?

I just answered this in the above quotes.

Ms of American women had abortions prior to Roe v Wade, in America, and many were wives, daughters, friends, lovers of men like cops, judges, pastors, lawyers and other men in establishment positions. How many of those men were punished when abortion was illegal?

Does "Ms" mean "millions"? Anyway you have to do more work than that if you want to make a point. I assume you're arguing that those husbands, fathers, friends and lovers actively participated in the abortions. But you have to show that was the case. Even so, I could care less who was punished and who wasn't. I was arguing about what should be the case logically, not what was once the case.

You People are truly misogynist, sexist pigs.

So says the guy who supports the idea that women shouldn't be considered moral agents in front of abortion law. Your stance completely undercuts the pro-choice stance.

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump Says His Very Rich Muslim Friends Won’t Be Banned From The Country

“I have been called by more Muslims saying what you are doing is a great thing, not a bad thing,” he continued. “Believe it or not, I have a lot of friends that are Muslim, and they call me, and in most cases, they’re very rich Muslims.”

Pressed by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews whether Trump’s friends could even get into the country with a ban on Muslims, Trump conceded. “They’ll come in,” he said. “They’ll come in, and you’ll have exceptions.”

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...s-immigration/

[mrsmaalox]

This abortion issue may be the dumbest thing yet. If abortion is illegal, and a woman gets one, she absolutely SHOULD be punished for it. Like seriously, what the is wrong with this world? Does the word "illegal" have a different meaning now?

And no, potential assholes, I'm not pro-life. I'm just shocked that people on both sides can be attacking Trump for making one of his most reasonable statements ever.

Well it's pretty dumb to say because it goes against how pro lifers see it. Evangelical prolifers have NEVER advocated for punishment of women who have had abortions, those women have the same opportunity to repent their sin and be forgiven accepted into heaven just like everyone else does. Remember they don't hate the sinner, just the sin. The prolife movement has then demonized the doctors and clinics that perform the abortions in order to portray the woman and fetus as their "victims". As long as women and fetuses are the ones being victimized they are justified in murdering the doctors and bombing the clinics and can use the excuse of implementing "safety procedures" to shut down as many clinics as possible. These particular comments about abortion alone aren't going to bring Trump down. But they show how out of touch Trump is with the pulse of his potential supporters and collectively with all the other out of touch things he has said can bring him down eventually.

[Spurminator]

*He didn't answer it any differently than the way LIBERALS THINK pro-lifers would have answered it.

That's bull . You can't say abortion is murder and then waffle on whether the person who sought out that murder should be held responsible. Do you really think the group of people who believes that a woman should be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy for 40 weeks is really that concerned about the well being of the woman after she terminates the pregnancy?

Sounds like the pro-life movement is as confused as Trump. I've grown up with enough pro-lifers to know they would have no problem with a hefty fine or even jail time for a woman who had an illegal abortion.

[DMX7]

Donald Trump Says His Very Rich Muslim Friends Won’t Be Banned From The Country

“I have been called by more Muslims saying what you are doing is a great thing, not a bad thing,” he continued. “Believe it or not, I have a lot of friends that are Muslim, and they call me, and in most cases, they’re very rich Muslims.”

Pressed by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews whether Trump’s friends could even get into the country with a ban on Muslims, Trump conceded. “They’ll come in,” he said. “They’ll come in, and you’ll have exceptions.”

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...s-immigration/

See, he's reasonable.

[boutons_deux]

See, he's reasonable.

His tax plan says he is above all Wealth Warrior (includes preferences, privileges for his wealthy Muslim friends), and won't do all for the 99%.

And since the MIC is war profiteering for the wealthy, Trump will not restrain the MIC, as your delusion goes.

[mrsmaalox]

That's bull . You can't say abortion is murder and then waffle on whether the person who sought out that murder should be held responsible. Do you really think the group of people who believes that a woman should be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy for 40 weeks is really that concerned about the well being of the woman after she terminates the pregnancy?

Sounds like the pro-life movement is as confused as Trump. I've grown up with enough pro-lifers to know they would have no problem with a hefty fine or even jail time for a woman who had an illegal abortion.

Extremely. Its difficult to reconcile the hypocrisy of their own cherry picked beliefs and still find a way into heaven.

[Spurminator]

Well it's pretty dumb to say because it goes against how pro lifers see it. Evangelical prolifers have NEVER advocated for punishment of women who have had abortions, those women have the same opportunity to repent their sin and be forgiven accepted into heaven just like everyone else does. Remember they don't hate the sinner, just the sin. The prolife movement has then demonized the doctors and clinics that perform the abortions in order to portray the woman and fetus as their "victims". As long as women and fetuses are the ones being victimized they are justified in murdering the doctors and bombing the clinics and can use the excuse of implementing "safety procedures" to shut down as many clinics as possible. These particular comments about abortion alone aren't going to bring Trump down. But they show how out of touch Trump is with the pulse of his potential supporters and collectively with all the other out of touch things he has said can bring him down eventually.

That's just the PR spin that evangelicals put on the issue. It's similar to saying laws requiring arbitrarily lofty standards for abortion clinics are about protecting women's health.

But yeah, Trump clearly didn't read the talking points. Still, I know there are a lot of people that quietly agreed with him on this... He was just saying what everybody's thinking, as the saying goes. Probably shouldn't have backtracked.

[mrsmaalox]

That's just the PR spin that evangelicals put on the issue. It's similar to saying laws requiring arbitrarily lofty standards for abortion clinics are about protecting women's health.

But yeah, Trump clearly didn't read the talking points. Still, I know there are a lot of people that quietly agreed with him on this... He was just saying what everybody's thinking, as the saying goes. Probably shouldn't have backtracked.

I agree its all about PR spin but that's what they rely on. Spin. So Trump did not help their case at all.

[hater]

Trump will win the presidency without an ounze of spin.

[Chinook]

Well it's pretty dumb to say because it goes against how pro lifers see it. Evangelical prolifers have NEVER advocated for punishment of women who have had abortions, those women have the same opportunity to repent their sin and be forgiven accepted into heaven just like everyone else does. Remember they don't hate the sinner, just the sin. The prolife movement has then demonized the doctors and clinics that perform the abortions in order to portray the woman and fetus as their "victims". As long as women and fetuses are the ones being victimized they are justified in murdering the doctors and bombing the clinics and can use the excuse of implementing "safety procedures" to shut down as many clinics as possible. These particular comments about abortion alone aren't going to bring Trump down. But they show how out of touch Trump is with the pulse of his potential supporters and collectively with all the other out of touch things he has said can bring him down eventually.

That's fine. I get how this hurts him with his base. But liberals have no room for attacking a logically consistent point. Same thing with Murdoch for however it's spelled in 2012. Just talking points on both sides. It's embarrassing to the country that MSNBC and other leftist groups are jumping on this as being anti-woman. Never seen a more sexist take.

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump has collapsed in general election polls


Donald Trump loves to brag that he's ahead of Hillary Clinton in the polls. "I beat Hillary Clinton in many polls," he repeatedly insisted at a debate earlier this month.
Here on planet Earth, that isn't true or even close to true. In 33 general election pollstracked by HuffPost Pollster over the past two months, Trump has led Clinton in just one.



http://www.vox.com/2016/3/31/1133688...-polls-winning

40% still for this asshole?

[boutons_deux]

‘It was a complete misspeak’: Katrina Pierson shouts at CNN host for quoting Trump verbatim on abortion


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/it-w...e+Raw+Story%29

[Spurminator]

This supports the theory that Trump is a Democratic plant. Trump might be intentionally tanking to ensure Cruz's nomination and an easier match up for the Dems.

Think about it: at this point, the most likely outcome is a contested convention with Trump falling short by a couple of hundred delegates, and Cruz/Kasich way behind. That gives the GOP establishment a chance (albeit small) of overthrowing both Trump and Cruz and inserting a moderate who will put up a better fight in the general. Trump probably figures that if he can't lock up the nomination outright, he'd rather throw it to Cruz than risk a convention coup by Kasich or Ryan. So he's making absurd statements to ensure that Cruz wins the states where he and Trump are the contenders. That allows Cruz to win a lot more delegates and get close to Trump's total. Then it would be more likely that the establishment grudgingly backs Cruz at the convention. Or Trump throws a tantrum and leaves just before the convention, with a majority of delegates coalescing behind Cruz.

A Cruz nomination is almost as good for the Dems as a Trump nomination. Cruz appeals to a narrow sliver of the electorate and if Shillary stays out of the FBI's grasp, she should win comfortably. Not so if it's Kasich facing her.

If this plays out, Trump would have eliminated all the moderates and handed the nomination to the least electable GOP candidate

Nah. If Trump was a plant, it would make more sense at this point to see it through to the general election.

[Chinook]

Nah. If Trump was a plant, it would make more sense at this point to see it through to the general election.

I thought you were going to say, "If Trump was a plant, he'd be green, not orange."

[hater]

Trump just toying with extremists emotions at this point. Feminazis, bible thumpers and mainstream media

unite the country when he's had enough

[boutons_deux]

Theodore Shoebat: ' s' Who Have Abortions Should Be Put To Death

Extremist right-wing activist and Donald Trump supporter Theodore Shoebat posted a video last night praising Trump's short-lived call to punish women who have abortions, declaring that " s" who have abortions should be put to death.

"You pro-life bas s!" Shoebat screamed at the anti-choice groups who criticized Trump's initial position. "You are useless s . Bas s. Pigs. Swine. Lower than the devils that you claim to be fighting against because you do not follow the law of God."

Shoebat, who was recently featured in Janet Porter's anti-gay do entary "Light Wins" along with several Republican presidential candidates, members of Congress and leading anti-gay activists, then cited Leviticus as he declared that "all these s who kill their own children" should be put to death.

"They had a choice to keep their legs closed," he stated. "They could have controlled themselves, and they got the abortions and they murdered their own children. Let me tell you something, I believe in the death penalty for these women and I believe that God himself agrees with me."

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/theodore-shoebat- s-who-have-abortions-should-be-put-death

Trump The Punisher and this murderous asshole are not the only two Repugs and Christian Taliban who are misogynist freaks.

[Spurminator]

I thought you were going to say, "If Trump was a plant, he'd be green, not orange."

I wish I had.

[boutons_deux]

Fact Checkers Prove That 91% of the Things Donald Trump Says Are False

Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, is at the bottom of the Politifact list with a sad 9% of true or mostly true statements. Just 9% of the things Donald Trump says are mostly related to the truth.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&u tm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politic us+USA+%29

[Spurminator]

Thoughts from Dallas' most embarrassing religious leader:

“Let me put this in context: Conservative leaders are on TV condemning Trump because it’s politically expedient to do so: You never blame the woman, you paint her as a victim,” he said. “That conservative orthodoxy has been born out of political expediency rather than logic. If you believe abortion is murder, it’s not outlandish to suggest the woman bears some culpability.”Jeffress was asked again: If abortion is one day outlawed, do you believe a woman should be punished for getting an abortion?

“Look,” he said, “I have counseled with many women who have had abortions, and they go through their own private ,” he said. “I do think they are victims. But if you ever outlaw abortion — and I don’t think it will ever be outlawed — how do you have a law but there’s no punishment for breaking that law? The doctor ought to bear the majority of the punishment.”

“Yes, if she’s committing an act that’s against the law,” he said. “Nobody gets a free pass on breaking the law.”And the woman as well?

Jeffress, incidentally, said he doesn’t really believe Trump wanted to step back his initial answer.

“Mr. Trump was giving an honest knee-jerk answer to that question,” he said. But eventually, the pastor said, Trump “probably came to the conclusion this is not politically palatable in today’s culture. In a refreshing way, it shows his honesty rather than some contrived answer.”

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2...pd-chief.html/

[DMX7]

How come other candidates aren't being asked this question? If you think abortion is murder and a woman voluntarily gets an abortion, then why wouldn't you punish her? This is one of the many reasons I'm pro-choice because pro-life isn't just too extreme a position it's also not practical to enforce. Ted Cruz doesn't even believe in exceptions to anti-abortion policy and he gets off totally free on this question.

[boutons_deux]

it's not whether anyone "thinks" abortion is murder.

It's whether abortion is legal or illegal.

Trump, assorted assholes, and Christian Taliban say, if illegal, a woman (only) should be punished.

Abortionists and other accomplices to the crime aren't mentioned as punishable, only the (hated) woman.