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    Apple Asks Judge Overseeing NY iPhone Case To Wait Until More Is Known About FBI's New Magic Unlocking Trick

    While there are 10 (known) cases covering 13 Apple devices that the DOJ is asking Apple to help unlock, there are two "big ones" that are receiving most of the focus. The big one in San Bernardino, which has been put on hold as the FBI claims it may have actually found a way into the phone -- and the one in NY where magistrate judge James Orenstein wrote a wonderful rejection letter for the DOJ's request. The Justice Department has appealed that decision, and the case has been handed over to Judge Margo Brodie.

    However, Apple is now requesting that this case also be put on hold, until more is known about the FBI's hacking attempts in the California case:

    As in the San Bernardino Matter, the DOJ argues in this case that an All Writs Act order is appropriate because Apple’s assistance is necessary to effectuate the search warrant issued by the Court.... (“[T]he government cannot access the contents of the phone and execute the warrant without Apple’s assistance.”); .... (“The government does not have any adequate alternatives to obtaining Apple’s assistance.”). This is a disputed issue. Judge Orenstein concluded in his opinion that that the government “failed to establish that the help it seeks from Apple is necessary” as required by New York Telephone.... Apple expects to similarly contest the necessity requirement in connection with the DOJ’s application to this Court.

    The iPhone in this case runs an older operating system (iOS 7) than the iPhone in the San Bernardino Matter (iOS 9). Regardless of what the DOJ concludes regarding whether the method being evaluated in San Bernardino works on the iPhone here, it will affect how this case proceeds. For example, if that same method can be used to unlock the iPhone in this case, it would eliminate the need for Apple’s assistance. On the other hand, if the DOJ claims that the method will not work on the iPhone here, Apple will seek to test that claim, as well as any claims by the government that other methods cannot be used.

    The outcome of the DOJ’s evaluation will not be known until April 5, when the DOJ submits its status report in the San Bernardino Matter. In the interim, both the Court and the parties lack sufficient information to determine the most appropriate way for this matter to proceed. Going forward without such information would be highly inefficient.


    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ng-trick.shtml

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    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...328-story.html

    Federal officials said Monday that they have unlocked the iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters and are dropping a request in front of a federal judge that sought to force Apple to help with that effort.

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    ,,,,and just like that the Apple name brand takes a serious hit....

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    This worked out great for Apple and privacy advocates in general, but it will keep on happening unless Congress finally addresses it head on.

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    Not really...
    Thanks to Snowden, we know it's been an open book this whole time. Encryption has been "broken" because the NSA has been implementing backdoors into encryption schemas and denying true encryption techniques since the early 90's. This is no accident. This is by design.
    http://arstechnica.com/security/2015...n-connections/

    Also...

    A critical zero-day vulnerability has been discovered in all versions of Apple's OS X operating system that allows hackers to exploit the company’s newest protection feature and steal sensitive data from affected devices.
    With the release of OS X El Capitan, Apple introduced a security protection feature to the OS X kernel called System Integrity Protection (SIP). The feature is designed to prevent potentially malicious or bad software from modifying protected files and folders on your Mac.

    The zero-day vulnerability (CVE-2016-1757) is a Non-Memory Corruption bug that allows hackers to execute arbitrary code on any targeted machine, perform remote code execution (RCE) or sandbox escapes, according to the researcher.
    The most worrisome part is that the infection is difficult to detect, and even if users ever discover it, it would be impossible for them to remove the infection, since SIP would work against them, preventing users from reaching or altering the malware-laced system file.

    Apple has patched the vulnerability, but only in updates for El Capitan 10.11.4, and iOS 9.3 that were released on 21st March.
    Other versions do not appear to have a patch update for this specific vulnerability from Apple, meaning they are left vulnerable to this specific zero-day bug.
    http://thehackernews.com/2016/03/sys...rotection.html

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    That's not really new. Bugs and Zero-days appear almost monthly, and they get patched almost as fast. Eventually, though the attack surface keeps getting smaller and smaller. That's why there's no jailbreak for iOS 9, for example. That's what the FBI hit before they contacted this third party company.

    The absolute worst case for Apple would've been if the court set a precedent that they had to build a backdoor for the government. That didn't happen, so that's definitely a win for Apple, and a bad miscalculation by the FBI.

    But, as exploits and bugs get more rare, eventually the FBI will be back at a court of law demanding the same. That's why Congress will have to act.

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    FWIW, good writeup here, and why this will end up back in the courts if Congress doesn't act:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-iphone-221310

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    FBI Agrees to Unlock iPhone of Arkansas Teens in Murder Case
    Source: Associated Press


    The FBI has agreed to help an Arkansas prosecutor unlock an iPhone and iPod belonging to two teenagers accused of killing a couple.

    Faulkner County Prosecuting Attorney Cody Hiland said Wednesday that the FBI agreed to the request from his office. The trial for 18-year-old Hunter Drexler was delayed Tuesday so prosecutors could ask for help.

    Drexler is accused in the shooting deaths of Robert and Patricia Cogdell.

    -snip-

    Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/f...-case-38041135

    The FBI wanted Apple to crack Farook's phone; Apple refused; now the FBI has a way to crack ANY 5c iPhone....and they're not telling Apple....

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    Techies,
    If the Govt wanted to play hardball/dirtball and get back at Apple, could they hire a hacker to get into Cook and the other upper echelon gots at Apple and get into their personal devices?

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    Techies,
    If the Govt wanted to play hardball/dirtball and get back at Apple, could they hire a hacker to get into Cook and the other upper echelon gots at Apple and get into their personal devices?
    They wouldn't need a hacker. It was widely suspected they already had a way into the phones, they just were looking for a court order to do it quicker, and because whatever bug they're using will eventually be closed.

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    They wouldn't need a hacker. It was widely suspected they already had a way into the phones, they just were looking for a court order to do it quicker, and because whatever bug they're using will eventually be closed.
    I was thinking find internal emails / communication ala the Sony hack.

    "Here is how we can weasel out of paying U.S. taxes. Lets scam a plan to form some bogus offshore/other country headquarters etc etc Peace Out Tim Cook".

    I'm not saying anything legal would come of it, Apple is too sneaky for that. I mean dirt for the court of public opinion.

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    I was thinking find internal emails / communication ala the Sony hack.

    "Here is how we can weasel out of paying U.S. taxes. Lets scam a plan to form some bogus offshore/other country headquarters etc etc Peace Out Tim Cook".

    I'm not saying anything legal would come of it, Apple is too sneaky for that. I mean dirt for the court of public opinion.
    Some of that came up on a couple of trials already (book price fixing, non-compete deals)...not sure what else you can dig up, tbh... with the CEO being openly gay, they'll probably pull the phobic card...

    You can always not buy their if you don't agree with their stand on this...

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    Some of that came up on a couple of trials already (book price fixing, non-compete deals)...not sure what else you can dig up, tbh... with the CEO being openly gay, they'll probably pull the phobic card...

    You can always not buy their if you don't agree with their stand on this...
    non complete deals?

    I'm not on the govt or Apples side, but I do want to see Apples phony sanctimonious *We want to protect our customers privacy* line of crap exposed.

    Couldn't hackers get some dirt like how they knew all about the factory in China that crammed 18,000 workers into a building doing 12 hour shifts 7 days a week and had a bunch of the workers jumping out the windows attempting suicide? Tim: "Who gives a f? We will have more profit."

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    non complete deals?

    I'm not on the govt or Apples side, but I do want to see Apples phony sanctimonious *We want to protect our customers privacy* line of crap exposed.

    Couldn't hackers get some dirt like how they knew all about the factory in China that crammed 18,000 workers into a building doing 12 hour shifts 7 days a week and had a bunch of the workers jumping out the windows attempting suicide? Tim: "Who gives a f? We will have more profit."
    I actually laud where they stand on customer privacy, hopefully more companies would be as mindful about the issue and follow their lead.

    I don't own any Apple stock nor work for them either, but you're going to find that Apple is actually one of the main leaders on improving work conditions in China, publishing reports both on workforce conditions and ecological impact. Their tax dealings are not much different than most other companies and are well known, since Tim even went in front of Congress to testify about them, tbh... I would say the biggest 'dirt' is that the CEO is gay, but that's pretty well known too...

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    Apple is actually one of the main leaders on improving work conditions in China, publishing reports both on workforce conditions and ecological impact.
    Big dog n pony show act. Apple has been happy to condone and benefit from severe exploitation all along.

    Their tax dealings are not much different than most other companies and are well known,
    Apple: "Mom, ElNono did it too"
    C'mon.

    Tim
    Freudian slip? Typo?

    even went in front of Congress to testify about them, tbh...
    If I ran a greedy corp, Congress is exactly who I would testify to if I wanted absolutely nothing to be done.
    Bunch of do nothing phucks, many who are undoubtedly on Apples *payroll*.

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    Big dog n pony show act. Apple has been happy to condone and benefit from severe exploitation all along.

    Apple: "Mom, ElNono did it too"
    C'mon.

    Freudian slip? Typo?

    If I ran a greedy corp, Congress is exactly who I would testify to if I wanted absolutely nothing to be done.
    Bunch of do nothing phucks, many who are undoubtedly on Apples *payroll*.
    dunno who came up with Tim , but that's what they call him on the Tech Forum... might've been lefty, tbh

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    To tell Apple or not? That is the question..

    FBI Bought Tool to Break Into IPhone Used in Terrorist Attack
    Source: Bloomberg


    The Federal Bureau of Investigation paid for the tool it used to break into a dead terrorist’s iPhone and is considering whether to tell Apple Inc. how it was done, FBI Director James Comey said.

    The U.S. dropped a legal case against Apple last month after it succeeded in accessing the data on an iPhone 5c used by Syed Rizwan Farook, who with his wife carried out the deadly December attack in San Bernardino, California. Comey disclosed during a speech Wednesday at Kenyon College in Ohio that the FBI paid for the tool to break into the phone, although he didn’t provide further details.

    "The FBI is very good at keeping secrets, and the people we bought this from, I know a fair amount about them, and I have a high degree of confidence that they are very good at protecting it and their motivations align with ours," Comey said. The FBI hasn’t said who provided the hacking tool.

    Discussions are continuing about whether to provide Apple with details about how the hack was carried out, Comey said. "That’s an interesting conversation because we tell Apple and they’re going to fix it, and then we’re back where we started from," he said. "As silly as that may sound, we may end up there. We just haven’t’ decided yet.
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    Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/ar...rrorist-attack

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    Apple Won't Sue FBI To Reveal Hack Used To Unlock Seized iPhone

    Apple will not pursue legal action against the US government to discover how federal agents broke into an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters. Attorneys for Apple speaking on background during a media briefing call on Friday said that it believed the method used to unlock the iPhone 5c would be short lived. It follows similar comments by FBI director James Comey who said in a speech on Thursday that the hack used to unlock the encrypted phone works on a "narrow slice" of devices. Apple attorneys said that the company is "confident" that the security weakness that the government alleges to have found will have a "short shelf life." The FBI's hack in the San Bernardino case would not help agents access a newer iPhone 5s used by a drug dealer in New York, where Apple faces a similar case against the government.

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    Senate bill draft would prohibit unbreakable encryption

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- A draft version of a Senate bill would effectively prohibit unbreakable encryption and require companies to help the government access data on a computer or mobile device with a warrant.

    The draft is being finalized by the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., and the top Democrat, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

    Their goal, they said in a statement, is to ensure adherence to any court order that requires helping law enforcement or providing decrypted information. "No individual or company is above the law."

    It was not immediately clear when they would introduce the bill.
    Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...04-08-14-11-09

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    Feinstein, another 1%er Dem, like Hillary, overseeing the decline.

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    Listen to the reasoning of the gots supporting keeping this molesters phone locked up:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...cid=spartanntp

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    Listen to the reasoning of the gots supporting keeping this molesters phone locked up:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...cid=spartanntp
    psssh. Tell me this guy isn't working for terrorists:

    Ahmed Ghappour.
    Some of you may remember him from U Texas law school

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    So if the US government wants to force these multinational companies to help them crack encryption, what are they going to say when other countries require the same? If China wants to crack a dissidents phone how can the US government say it's OK to work for us but not them after they have FORCED them to make a crackable phone?

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    Listen to the reasoning of the gots supporting keeping this molesters phone locked up:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...cid=spartanntp
    This is actually a great example why the All Writs act needs to die a slow death. Plus it's likely uncons utional in that case, since it can't possibly trump the fifth amendment.

    The fact that you don't understand (or you do, and don't agree with) that cons utional rights apply to everyone, including criminals, is a different matter altogether.

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    So if the US government wants to force these multinational companies to help them crack encryption, what are they going to say when other countries require the same? If China wants to crack a dissidents phone how can the US government say it's OK to work for us but not them after they have FORCED them to make a crackable phone?
    Not only that, but it's a major compe ive disadvantage. Any other country can make devices with actual secure encryption, whereas US companies cannot.

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