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haha, true
Exactly. Probably no one has adhered to the latter more, in the history of the game, than Duncan. He's constantly changed his game based on where he was at his in his career and the team around him at the time.
Also, because he's been either old or ancient for so long, it's also seemingly become forgotten, to a certain extent, just how talented he was in his prime.
I know what spursistan is getting at, in terms of feel and IQ for the game, but that's different than talent.
haha, true
I'd rank TD first. He has the whole package in physical tools ideal for the game and the natural talent.
Not sure where, I'd put Miller since I didn't see him younger and better but he impressed me. He understands the game so well that practically blended right in needing not many minutes or practice. Definite natural playmaker.
I wouldn't have West probably that high. He's a good player. I might be biased and wrong here bc I didn't see him in his youth or play at his more natural position of PF so seeing him now as a backup center at the tail end of his career makes it kind of unfair for me to judge this version of him and he's good but I think he benefits from the system a lot.
We actually have a pretty talented roster. Bonner can only shoot but he does it so very well, but one trick ponies I'd have as some of the least talented.
I haven't really liked Martin. He's been a scorer in other teams but I am only going by his play in the Spurs. I hope he makes some shots and helps us to 6, but so far he's battling the last spot in the talent pool with Simmons in my list. Simmons actually has natural gifts in his athleticism and good passing skills, but he's been a very late bloomer in his career and hardships aside, I am left wondering why he didn't put his package together earlier. He flashes talent, but when played 20 minutes without great teammates he gets exposed. Even in the dleague he makes costly mistakes. Going by their careers to be somewhat objective I'd have to say Martin is the better talent, but damn.
Simmons is arguably the most athletic player in the entire roster. He deserves to be higher than Tier 4. Ditto for Boban. The kid is 7"3, and you just can't teach size.
I would also rank Kyle Anderson higher given his sheer size and versatility (same reason Diaw is Tier 1). And I would probably rank Mills lower, seeing as a 6-ft SG in a PG's body should not be having the amount of success that he does.
Duncan has more basketball talent than the rest of the roster combined.
I get your point and it is unfair to rank talent when some of that talent has already had a long NBA career and you can judge them much better. Other talent I am only seeing at the very end. The fact they are still being effective at that age like Miller speaks about their talent. Then the younger ones are very tough to compare. Kyle is practically in his first real season with the team. Without seeing him in the next 2-3 years playing a more significant role he's hard to judge. I am obviously high on him, but you have to project a lot, so I am fine with his current ranking. I'd expect that to go up as he matures into his body and his game.
Simmons is gifted physically, but there are so many pure athletes that wash out from the league every year. He's another one that without seing if he will put his package and his career together in the next couple of years I can't fairly judge. I demoted him bc for a 26 yrs old with his athletic gifts he should not have been needing to be dleaguing this season.
I am with you on Boban though. His size is a natural gift and he's skilled.
In general though I get your point the younger players will be at the end bc their careers are just starting and it's still a question mark whether they will put it together if they step into more minutes.
I also agree with you on Patty. He's actually a guy who has maximized everything he got, but if you reduce that 3 pts shooting just a bit like he did last season he's just not as valuable. He's short and lacking physical natural physical gifts to be that high. There is a definite truth you rank him at 22 with Kyle at 22 and there is no way Patty comes out as the most gifted.... that is why it's tough to judge the younger/newer kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz_gOHgMgvA
Bonner is more than a tier one player in this clip.
Take a look and see our enforcer in action.
I'd put Tim in the first group.
Also, West's combo of playmaking-skills-and-great-passing surprised me. Never realized he was that type of playmaker big. Love him.
Kawhi? I'm tired of discussing about he should be higher in every ranking posted here so...
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Natural inate talent: Anderson and Manu
Least talent: bonner, Green, Boban and Kawhi
Since mid stop posting on ST with that account and Chinook stop saying Kawhi D's overrated bc he's #1 among NBA perimeter players in every defensive stat and not Danny...Is this guy the bigger Kawhi's troll? Or it's still TGY/KLB?
"Kawhi never passed Mike Mitc and Larry Kenon" when both never were "the guy" because Gerving, while Kawhi is without doubts the best Spurs player this season.
"Kawhi will be just a 2nd banana on a good team" when he's the leading scorer on the historic-Spurs-run
Keep doing your
Last edited by YGWHI; 04-02-2016 at 06:47 PM.
Timmy not being number one is ridiculous
Weird thread for a few reasons... How could you know how many hours of practice any individual player put in when they were young? What you might see as "natural" talent could very well be the result of intense discipline and hard work. It's not like Manu was tossing his baby bottle behind the back onto the couch innately... it's more likely he saw the value in good passing at an early age and worked on it more than most other players.
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