Rank the best SG in the league...

[ElNono]

This thread brought up by some commentary on a different thread. While perusing the SG numbers, I was pretty amazed how ty the position has become. This is a position that in it's heyday had guys like Kobe, T-Mac, Vince Carter, Manu, Wade, Joe Johnson... dominating players.

Here's some names taken from top 10 PER and RPM, feel free to add your own:

James Harden
DeMar DeRozan
Jimmy Butler
Dwyane Wade
Klay Thompson
Manu Ginobili
J.J. Re
Tyreke Evans
Lou Williams
C.J. McCollum
Victor Oladipo
Khris Middleton
Rodney Hood
J.R. Smith
Kyle Korver
Monta Ellis
Wesley Matthews
Danny Green

[Kawhitstorm]

Jimmy Butler is the best two-way SG in the league when healthy.

[ElNono]

Jimmy Butler is the best two-way SG in the league when healthy.

He's an interesting case. His defense has taken a nosedive since his offensive role has increased.

[PopTheGOAT]

Jimmy Butler is the best two-way SG in the league when healthy.

I'd take him over anyone else on that list, then Klay

[SAGirl]

He's an interesting case. His defense has taken a nosedive since his offensive role has increased.

Their team defense has suffered too bc of injuries and roster changes, but Idobt watch him and he's been carrying some cancers.

[ElNono]

I really like C.J. McCollum personally, as far as having a bright future, if he remains injury free, tbh...

[elemento]

Hood seems to have a nice future as well. For SGs still in their rookie contracts, he is the player I like the most.

[Kawhitstorm]

He's an interesting case. His defense has taken a nosedive since his offensive role has increased.

He held LeBron to 39% shooting in last year's playoffs when LeBron actually had a HEALTHY Kyrie. (The Bulls fell apart when Pau got injured midway through the series, Gm 3)

[apalisoc_9]

Harden
Butler
Thompson
Derozan
Red
Khris Middleton
CJ Mccolum
Danny Green
Manu Ginobili
Monta Ellis

The rest i dont give a shot about.

Rank really depends om multiple things..Manu is probably still the third guy you want to give the ball to in crunch situations.though.

[Kawhitstorm]

Harden

[Obstructed_View]

And to think, center and shooting guard used to be the glamour positions in the NBA.

[ElNono]

He held LeBron to 39% shooting in last year's playoffs when LeBron actually had a HEALTHY Kyrie. (The Bulls fell apart when Pau got injured midway through the series, Gm 3)

He doesn't do it every night though. His defensive RPM is lower than Kyle Korver and Andre ing Roberson. It's not really a knock in the sense that it's really rare you can sustain that level on both ends when you increase the workload and usage so much. Only a few truly great players can really pull off playing 100% on both ends (ie: Kawhi).

[Cry Havoc]

And to think, center and shooting guard used to be the glamour positions in the NBA.

SG is, Jordan aside, the weakest position in the history of the NBA.

When the 12th best player ever merits consideration for the #2 spot in a position, you know it's a thin crop of talent to choose from.

[apalisoc_9]

I had butler at 1 a few months back..im just juggling between the two.

I think that Harden is so cancerous of a player that i wouldnt have trouble putting him at 2..right now i probably still have him at one though.

If Derozan can ever kill his hero ball tendencies hed up there...his hero ball game is probably the worst out of butler, harden and him.

I forgot to add wade...wade at this point is just an old man stat padding and ruining the franchise chance of winning. I dont know how to rate a player like that.

[SpursFan86]

Butler's defense definitely took a noticeable hit once his offensive role grew...he even admitted as much himself: http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story...ffling-defense

2015: 0.43 DRPM, opponents shot 4% better than their average against him
2016: 0.91 DRPM, opponents are shooting 1.4% better than their average against him

Anyways, as much as I dislike him, I still have Harden at #1. Butler is a fairly close 2nd.

[Obstructed_View]

SG is, Jordan aside, the weakest position in the history of the NBA.

When the 12th best player ever merits consideration for the #2 spot in a position, you know it's a thin crop of talent to choose from.

Not sure about your logic here. There are only two guards in the top ten, one of whom was the size of Karl Malone. It's a big man's game. Doesn't mean there was a shortage of talent in back courts.

[Kawhitstorm]

If Derozan can ever kill his hero ball tendencies hed up there...his hero ball game is probably the worst out of butler, harden and him.

DeRozan is a TERRIBLE defender, Joe Johnson ate him alive in 2014.

[DeRozan m8]

What would be worse though?

Watching Danny suck?

Or having to watch Harden regularly?

[TheGreatYacht]

1) Jimmy Butler
2) James Har_en
3) DeMar DeRozan
4) Klay Thompson
5) CJ McCollum
6) Dwyane Wade
7) Avery Bradley
8) Kris Middleton
9) Bradley Beal
10) Jordan Clarkson
11) Rodney Hood
12) Devin Booker
13) Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
14) Danny Green
15) JJ Re
16) Victor Oladipo
17) Monta Ellis
18) Manu Ginobili
19) Wesley Matthews
20) Gets really ugly from here ... Uh, Joe Johnson?

[MultiTroll]

1. Jimmy Butler
2. Healthy GNob

[cjw]

LOL @ anyone putting JJ Re outside top 5-10. He's on an absolute tear and is what stirs the drink that is the Clippers. Klay wishes he shot as well as JJ (yes, usage is different)

[spurraider21]

Kawhitstorm why u always put up highlights of 1 game to prove a>b

[apalisoc_9]

LOL @ anyone putting JJ Re outside top 5-10. He's on an absolute tear and is what stirs the drink that is the Clippers. Klay wishes he shot as well as JJ (yes, usage is different)

Yeah

Can't expect everyone to follow the association as closely though

[Gummi Clutch]

tbh, I think Harden is easy #1, set apart from those guys even with bad D. Dude is an offensive juggernaut

[Gummi Clutch]

always nice to see the OKC cucks get exposed


But back to Harden, when a guy puts up 41 easy like that he's clearly above the rest. Everybody else would their pants if Klay/Butler got numbers like that routinely.