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I trust Danny will bring it against the Dubs/Thunder, tbh.
If he doesn't then that'll drop him to #17 above GNob
I trust Danny will bring it against the Dubs/Thunder, tbh.
If he doesn't then that'll drop him to #17 above GNob
Re is averaging 16.5ppg and leading the league in 3P%. He's miles ahead of Danny "borderline D-leaguer" Green this season.
Anecdotal evidence can't be trumped. To be honest most of the metrics in basketball are also extremely flawed...... The eye test usually is most reliable if you can abandon your bias about the game... Which is harder for some .
If they ever do move Green it would be better to move Leonard to SG as it would be easier to find a good SF that a good SG replacement.
Harden is fool's gold to me.... Mediocre FG% (43%), mediocre 3pt% (34.4%), lots of turnovers, no defense.... a high usage rate player who's useless 50% of the time... plus he sets the tone for the rest of the team with the idea that defense doesn't matter too much... I understand why many think he's fun to watch, but I'm not a fan...
I didn't put a clip of one possession dummy, if you need a career highlight then hire a video coordinator.
I like Red , but how is his defense though? He doesn't strike me as a guy that plays both ends...
Is there a more ignorant statement in this day and age, tbh?
Even the Spurs are blowing money left and right on statisticians and leading edge analytic guys...
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I realize McGrady and Johnson played plenty of shooting guard (Pierce, too, before Allen was acquired) and as such, should obviously be in any discussion about the top ones from that era, but they were no more shooting guards than Duncan and Gasol were power forwards.
The same goes for Butler, Middleton and Hood. They only primarily play the position based on what's best for their respective teams.
As cancerous a style as he may play and as defenseless as he is, Harden is still clearly the best. Excluding future Hall-of-Famers (Bryant, Wade, Ginobili, probably Carter), he's the only Hall-of-Fame talent. If the Warriors go on to become a dynasty, Thompson might get in just based on that, but he's not a Hall-of-Fame player on his own volition.
Heady team defender and compe ive individual one, but too physically limited to be anything more than competent.
lol reading comprehension
Wow, that comment was so dumb. Not to take anything away from myself, but I havent really sank deep into analytics as chinook and Harlem. The basic stuff needs an hour or two for complete understanding and then understanding how these metrics fall in line with style, personel, fundamentals, etc is a on a different level. I wish someone out there can release a book full of advanced stuff..will make things easier to understand.Is there a more ignorant statement in this day and age, tbh?
Even the Spurs are blowing money left and right on statisticians and leading edge analytic guys...
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Chinook
HarlemHeat37
It has its place for front office purposes and building a cohesive team that is well balanced. However, when used to make arguments it is often useless as people pick and choose stats that fit their agenda. I mean, the other night you used advanced statistics to tell me we had the 4th and 7th best 2 guards in the league which is completely unreasonable but proves my point. Basketball is such a dynamic game with so many moving parts .... its not like as easy to isolate value in numbers the way it is in baseball.Is there a more ignorant statement in this day and age, tbh?
Even the Spurs are blowing money left and right on statisticians and leading edge analytic guys...
apalisoc_9
Chinook
HarlemHeat37
Yeah, that's what I was illustrating. Plus, in their prime at least, guys like Bryant, Manu and Wade were all very solid defenders. Nowadays you get very talented offensive players, but the other side of the ball is a bit forgotten, tbh...
Nah, you said we were very thin at SG, and I brought up not one but two advanced stats mentioning we have at least one SG in the top 10 of the league. It might not be much, but league-wide the quality of SG has declined dramatically.
I agree that fans sometimes cherry pick to try to make points/troll, but that's far from antiquated stuff like "eye test"... teams like the Knicks do "eye test" and, well, there they are...
Yes, but if you look down the list of PGs, there have been a lot more incredible 1s than there have been 2s. Though you're right, having #2 for the position at #12 is probably not a good measure. Still, the SGs are pretty weak overall. Many more dominant 1s and 3s.
re has had a great year but i'd still take middleton over anybody not named butler. harden has more talent but he's a cancer. its hard to rank talented cancers appropriately
IDIOT, my point was that one game is enough for you when we are talking about All-Star players going at it in a playoff game without hitting fluke shots. I posted the video to PROVE that the numbers weren't lying. Butler had LeBron huffing & puffing throughout the series. If anything, LeBron hit a desperation 3 to win Gm 4.
If I post a clip of one possession then you would have a point but if you want me to post a CAREER compilation of their matchups then I suggest you lock yourself in the NBA archive center & holla at me when you have an ACTUAL rebuttal instead of ing.
lol, especially when you conveniently choose which one game matters
I'll go with you. I also like Batum, who is being played as a SG this season.
As talented a scorer as Harden is, he's a cancer and plays no defense. You can't win ultimately like that and he's allowed to coast more than most bc of the weakness at the position. Still when Danny Green is in a down season and yet he torches Harden every time they meet, you know he's awful.
I like young kids like Devin Booker and MCCollum. Of the two I like Booker more bc he stands out in a terrible Suns team that has no one else to take attention away from him and he's so young. There are a few other kids I like but they are young and are not going to rank high on this list yet.
LeBron shot 39% (TS: 46%lol, especially when you conveniently choose which one game matters) & committed 27 turnovers in 6 games while being guarded 1-on-1 by Butler; not to mention Kyrie was actually HEALTHY & available. Butler himself wasn't bad on the other end either as he averaged 21/5/2 w/ a TS of 52% & only committing 7 turnovers in the ENTIRE series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...cavaliers.html
LeBron proceeded to destroy Carroll & the Hawks in the ECF despite BOTH Kyrie/Love being out for the series........I wonder why?
If 2015 isn't enough for you then 2013 also happened when LeBron was at his PEAK & Butler was just a 2nd year players:
you conveniently choose one youtube video of harden vs butler, too, for instance (not that i disagree on butler>harden, specifically). you do this all the time in other threads too, it's pretty shallow analysis
for example, look at this post
you just hand picked games that fit a narrative
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Dumb ass, I'm not posting games where EITHER player is half-assing. If a numb nut like Benoit makes a blanket statement then of course I'm going to nit-picking THEIR narratives by providing video PROOF b/c they can't deny it.you conveniently choose one youtube video of harden vs butler, too, for instance (not that i disagree on butler>harden, specifically). you do this all the time in other threads too, it's pretty shallow analysis
for example, look at this post
you just hand picked games that fit a narrative
Lebron/Butler went at it in two different playoff series & Butler gave him not specifically for one game but for the duration of each series. It's not like LeBron was mailing it in ala 2011 Finals.
And as shooting guards go, there's rightfully a bigger gap between 1 and 2 than there is between 2 and the rest of the top 10. Lakerfan's never-ending quest to put Kobe in the same sentence with Jordan has made the discussion kind of a big joke.l
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