The Tony Parker Thread

[TD 21]

You can have no mileage and be 50 and be slow as . Age is a factor here. Age 33 and 38 with comparable miles, the 38 year old has a harder time. edit.

What I'm saying is, considering Parker's mileage, he damn near is the equivalent of a 38 year old.

I seriously doubt Ginobili's overseas mileage make up the difference between their NBA mileage and on top of that, I'm pretty sure Parker has represented his country more, too.

I'm a guy that mentioned he would be the guy that will have the biggest problem adapting his game out of the big 3... but some people waved that off, that he would build a jumper, etc... it's never that easy. Guys like Tim or Manu just have a feel for the game that you can't teach, you could tell they would age more gracefully... but to this day, some posters think I'm trolling when I say something like that...

He may not be Duncan, Ginobili, Diaw, etc., when it comes to feel for the game, but far too many Spurs fans make it seem as if he's some low IQ player, which is not at all the case.

[SAGirl]

Parker is part of the committee and while his biggest flaw (hero ball) is frustrating and can lose you a series, hes there biggest hes experienced at trying to make shots out of nothing when the flow or a set call generates no offense. Hes still valuable. The key for him is to know when not to hero ball and when to take advantage of the opportunuties he gets when teams start reacting to Leonard and aldridge.

Agreed. He will be valuable, may even have a throwback game if they underestimate him and start helping off him. Another one who may need to rise is Tim. They might force the ball away from LmA and into Tim. They will be up to it. Danny is the question mark bc he's either on or he's not.

Our bench is a bit of a concern bc they need Diaw to be better and he's been garbage lately again and both Mills and Manu are streaky shooting + Pop plays them with Danny who is streaky too. D west is ready though. Kyle to me is a kind of floater, he may see different lineups and spots and be in or out depending what is going on, likely how Danny is playing, how Diaw is playing, and his own play. I don't see him strictly as a bench fixture.

Martin, although I haven't really liked him may see time occasionally bc of his 3. I don't think he won Pop over but if Danny doesn't have the 3 going and you can spare it defensively, a time may come that Pop tries Martin out there specially if LMA and Kawhi draw doubles and no one is making a 3 in the SL.

[DMC]

What I'm saying is, considering Parker's mileage, he damn near is the equivalent of a 38 year old.

I seriously doubt Ginobili's overseas mileage make up the difference between their NBA mileage and on top of that, I'm pretty sure Parker has represented his country more, too.




He may not be Duncan, Ginobili, Diaw, etc., when it comes to feel for the game, but far too many Spurs fans make it seem as if he's some low IQ player, which is not at all the case.

The "why" isn't nearly as important to this discussion as is the "is". It seems everyone is in agreement that Tony is a borderline liability, maybe worse. If he has a poor showing in the playoffs where he's obviously not "coasting", do you think he still gets the starting nod next season over basically anyone else? We don't have anyone on the team I'd want starting over him right now, but that's because we don't have a true PG other than 40 year old Miller. Patty is good, but he's not good enough to start on a team that needs to have a 2 speed attack. You cannot go from fast to faster when you go to your bench and Patty doesn't get to the rim very well.

Tony just isn't fooling anyone these days. He's getting shut down by even pedestrian level bigs.

[apalisoc_9]

What I'm saying is, considering Parker's mileage, he damn near is the equivalent of a 38 year old.

I seriously doubt Ginobili's overseas mileage make up the difference between their NBA mileage and on top of that, I'm pretty sure Parker has represented his country more, too.




He may not be Duncan, Ginobili, Diaw, etc., when it comes to feel for the game, but far too many Spurs fans make it seem as if he's some low IQ player, which is not at all the case.

His game just doesnt age too well. Hes always been a speedy guard. What's he supposed to do now that he isnt? The main thing about Parker is that he doesnt turn the ball over like crazy and he knows how to run a slower paced team.

Ginobili has the luxury to play a lesser role and so does duncan offensively. Hes frustrating because even though hes part of the committe now, he still the third guy they rely on to find buckets.

Its not fair to.compare the two at this point...I think that once tonys role diminishes even more to a mere 25mpg game, probably look better.

[SAGirl]

Thanks DMC for bringing this up... I can't do it anymore, I get labeled a hater or something... I want Tony to look great, tbh, he just isn't right, IMO

I'm sure somebody is going to bring up 38 y/o Manu to deflect, but if you gotta compare a 33 year old to a 38 year old, you're kinda making the point...

You don't strike me as a hater type, though you have your favorites same as most everyone here, but you don't strike me as a guy who wants anybody else but your favorite to do well, which is a shtick some "fans" here have, but I haven't seen that for you. I am critical of others too but I am never wishing guys straight up fail.

I actually think Manu is key. When he's not playing well that bench can't pick it up. They haven't gone back to how consistently great they were to start the season and I can't put a finger on why that is, bc it wasn't Kyle (I suspect you will bring him up), he's gotten better through the season actually and he wasn't hampering them earlier. I tend to think Manu started super hot and playing well and is not fully back to 100% after that injury. But I am not sure if that is it. Diaw has been playing very poorly too.

[TD 21]

The "why" isn't nearly as important to this discussion as is the "is". It seems everyone is in agreement that Tony is a borderline liability, maybe worse. If he has a poor showing in the playoffs where he's obviously not "coasting", do you think he still gets the starting nod next season over basically anyone else? We don't have anyone on the team I'd want starting over him right now, but that's because we don't have a true PG other than 40 year old Miller. Patty is good, but he's not good enough to start on a team that needs to have a 2 speed attack. You cannot go from fast to faster when you go to your bench and Patty doesn't get to the rim very well.

Tony just isn't fooling anyone these days. He's getting shut down by even pedestrian level bigs.

Absolutely. But even if Parker plays well and/or they win the championship, I suspect finding a point guard in the mold of Joseph will be top priority this off season, unless Duncan retires.

It won't be to usurp Parker. It'll be to have someone to guard the physical specimen type point guards and to start grooming someone who can at least eventually become a stop gap option when Parker retires.

His game just doesnt age too well. Hes always been a speedy guard. What's he supposed to do now that he isnt? The main thing about Parker is that he doesnt turn the ball over like crazy and he knows how to run a slower paced team.

Ginobili has the luxury to play a lesser role and so does duncan offensively. Hes frustrating because even though hes part of the committe now, he still the third guy they rely on to find buckets.

Its not fair to.compare the two at this point...I think that once tonys role diminishes even more to a mere 25mpg game, probably look better.

In a way, Ginobili plays a bigger role offensively, since he's basically still the go-to option off the bench. This is why his usage is basically the same as what it's been in recent years, while Duncan's and Parker's have fallen off significantly.

Parker has the most difficult offensive role because he has to essentially cede the offense to Leonard and Aldridge, while still getting his and he has to do it in limited minutes.

I don't know that chopping off another 2 mpg is going to make a difference, when he's already down at 27 mpg. He just got 2 games off and didn't look any better afterwards. There's no magic elixir here, but the pattern has been established. He'll start strong, then fade once the games pile up.

[DMC]

You moved the goal posts and then tried to answer way down the road to retirement. I said if he has a poor showing, not if the Spurs win the ring. If Tony has the ability to still be that effective all bets are off.

[TD 21]

You moved the goal posts and then tried to answer way down the road to retirement. I said if he has a poor showing, not if the Spurs win the ring. If Tony has the ability to still be that effective all bets are off.

Even if he has a poor showing, yes, definitely.

[Splits]

You don't strike me as a hater type, though you have your favorites same as most everyone here, but you don't strike me as a guy who wants anybody else but your favorite to do well, which is a shtick some "fans" here have, but I haven't seen that for you. I am critical of others too but I am never wishing guys straight up fail.

I actually think Manu is key. When he's not playing well that bench can't pick it up. They haven't gone back to how consistently great they were to start the season and I can't put a finger on why that is, bc it wasn't Kyle (I suspect you will bring him up), he's gotten better through the season actually and he wasn't hampering them earlier. I tend to think Manu started super hot and playing well and is not fully back to 100% after that injury. But I am not sure if that is it. Diaw has been playing very poorly too.

you haven't been paying attention. EN is a Manu homer, nothing more and nothing less. He will literally chew Manu's gumdrop no matter the outcome. He thought the Dirk foul was good D!

It's all he does.

[ElNono]

He may not be Duncan, Ginobili, Diaw, etc., when it comes to feel for the game, but far too many Spurs fans make it seem as if he's some low IQ player, which is not at all the case.

He's not low IQ at all, IMO, he's just a guy that will never translate his game to more of a playmaker or a jump shooter... he's just going to have to find new ways to finish near the rim.. he used to have a money floater for the longest time, and for some reason it has disappeared. I want him to do well, we could always use another experienced guy doing well.

[dabom]

you haven't been paying attention. EN is a Manu homer, nothing more and nothing less. He will literally chew Manu's gumdrop no matter the outcome. He thought the Dirk foul was good D!

It's all he does.

You'd lick porker's sweat if he wanted to.

[Splits]

You'd lick porker's sweat if he wanted to.

Please tell me in what universe that statement makes any sense.

EN sucking the ballsweat off of Manu? It's a daily routine.

[ElNono]

you haven't been paying attention. EN is a Manu homer, nothing more and nothing less. He will literally chew Manu's gumdrop no matter the outcome. He thought the Dirk foul was good D!

It's all he does.

definitely a homer and my favorite Spur, tbh, a guy I was fortunate to meet in person many times, but I never put him over the team. When he sucked in 2013, I said so, no excuses, even said he might retire. I never said the foul on Dirk was good D, I simply said the Spurs had more options to win that game after that foul, and that we largely were in that game thanks to Manu in the first place, little things that fans forget over a single play.

I don't hate anybody and I always hope our players do well. I do run some schtick here and there with Parker fans, but they even know it's a schtick (ask Brazil). I want our players to do well, and when I think they're not doing well, I just say it.

Manu just happens to be very, very good, and has done a whole lot of great things for this franchise, even this team this season, which makes it very easy to root for. And I'm hardly alone in that sentiment in here, IMO.

[ElNono]

You'd lick porker's sweat if he wanted to.

I don't think Splits is a Parkerstan, tbh...

[Splits]

definitely a homer and my favorite Spur, tbh, a guy I was fortunate to meet in person many times, but I never put him over the team. When he sucked in 2013, I said so, no excuses, even said he might retire. I never said the foul on Dirk was good D, I simply said the Spurs had more options to win that game after that foul, and that we largely were in that game thanks to Manu in the first place, little things that fans forget over a single play.

I don't hate anybody and I always hope our players do well. I do run some schtick here and there with Parker fans, but they even know it's a schtick (ask Brazil). I want our players to do well, and when I think they're not doing well, I just say it.

Manu just happens to be very, very good, and has done a whole lot of great things for this franchise, even this team this season, which makes it very easy to root for. And I'm hardly alone in that sentiment in here, IMO.

Damnnnnnnnnn

That's some defensive ass (understandably so). We have 7 rings if not for Manu's bull .

[dabom]

I don't think Splits is a Parkerstan, tbh...

Suggestions?

[Splits]

I don't think Splits is a Parkerstan, tbh...

You got 1 thing right.

[ElNono]

Damnnnnnnnnn

That's some defensive ass (understandably so). We have 7 rings if not for Manu's bull .

It's all true, you can go through my post history at the time, you'll find it... We don't have 5 rings if not for Manu's brilliance either... glass half full/empty, I guess.

[ElNono]

Suggestions?

Splits is alright, fellow vaper and always putting in work on Stale Dale, tbh... he might not like the fact I'm a Manu homer tho, that's ok, tbh...

[AZK619]

Tony mentally checks out at times. Just hoping he doesn't do that in the playoffs, tbh.

[dabom]

Splits is alright, fellow vaper and always putting in work on Stale Dale, tbh... he might not like the fact I'm a Manu homer tho, that's ok, tbh...

I just got a hit from Urban Dictionary on that.

"stale daleOne who sleeps with multiple women without washing his .
Or the name of the soiled ."

right?

[ElNono]

I just got a hit from Urban Dictionary on that.

"stale daleOne who sleeps with multiple women without washing his .
Or the name of the soiled ."

right?

didn't even know it was slang

Stale Dale is what some peeps call Thread downstairs...

[SAGirl]

you haven't been paying attention. EN is a Manu homer, nothing more and nothing less. He will literally chew Manu's gumdrop no matter the outcome. He thought the Dirk foul was good D!

It's all he does.

I have my favorites too, but I kind of sympathize with Nono bc even when he dislikes my guy for example, he's not a guy who will be wishing others flat out flunk. Or maybe I misread that?
I know Manu can do no wrong by him. I cut Anderson more slack than anyone too. It doesn't mean when I am wishing others ill and he didn't strike me as that. That was all I meant.

Although believe you me I am aware how partial he's to Manu and how critical he's of others.

[Kawhitstorm]

He should just pray the Spurs play the Mavs in the 1st rd & the Blazers in the 2nd rd b/c he's going to get flambeed in the WCF.

[will_spurs]

Parker is being cast in an impossible position.

Pop has decided to slow down the pace (will be useful against GSW which is basically the only team Pop cares about) but fans complain he doesn't bring the ball up the court fast enough. Hint: we're not playing SSOL (against the Warriors starters at least). Against the bench the strategy might be quite different depending on whether they can follow a run and gun game or not.

Parker had to adapt from a "head of the snake" role (where he would penetrate and then either score or pass to an open elite 3pt shooter) to assisting a dynamic duo of LMA and Kawhi on a team that suddenly barely has any 3pt shooter worth mentioning. If he defers to them, he's labeled passive, a waste of a roster spot and so on. If he doesn't, he's heroballing. That's an impossible equation, and it would be the same regardless of the PG. Actually any other guy the Spurs put in his shoes as a starter isn't doing any better (or sometimes noticeably worse). You can find people like ElNono stating that Parker doesn't score at the rim any more, hasn't developed a jumper (WTF his jumper has always been good), and probably hasn't developed a 3pt game. Yet he is shooting .498 this season, .406 from 3 (clearly the best of his career and breaking news: over .400 from 3 is quite good). His per36 asists are better than his carer average, his turnovers per36 are the lowest of his career. People say he can't adapt to a reduced tole because of his ego yet he's taking far fewer shots than in the past.

Whatever he does, people here focus only on the negatives. It's easy to build any kind of narrative, however false, this way.