NBA: Pippen: 96 Bulls would SWEPT 2016 Warriors

[daslicer]

This is a 19 year old Parker we're talking about, his only experience playing with French pro ball clubs, pre consistent jumper, years away from his prime, from being fully developed physically. It literally took Parker 8 years to hit his prime.

Payton had a wealth of experience and was still an elite PG. He also played a significantly smaller role with that "stacked" Lakers squad, 40.8 mpg to 34.5. It preserved his body and allowed him to focus more on defense, his offensive stats dropped but his efficiency increased.

Again you are trying to spin your ty Easter Bloc training narrative which is very laughable by the way. 33 year old Payton was not on the same level defensively as the 27 year Payton that had won defensive player of the year. Wealth of experience means when it comes to aging on the defensive end for perimeter players. When you don't have the speed to keep up with a guy defensively the "experience" is not going to compensate for declining athleticism. Younger guards will always abuse older guards its the circle life of the NBA. Parker use to do the abusing on the offensive end now he's the abused one. In several years you will see Westbrook and Curry getting their pushed in by a young 20 something year old guard. Common sense guys in their 20's are going to be more athletic than guys in their 30's thus will usually dominate guys in their 30's regardless of era pretty stupid rational by you but then again I'm not surprised.

[KL2]

Again you are trying to spin your ty Easter Bloc training narrative which is very laughable by the way. 33 year old Payton was not on the same level defensively as the 27 year Payton that had won defensive player of the year. Wealth of experience means when it comes to aging on the defensive end for perimeter players. When you don't have the speed to keep up with a guy defensively the "experience" is not going to compensate for declining athleticism. Younger guards will always abuse older guards its the circle life of the NBA. Parker use to do the abusing on the offensive end now he's the abused one. In several years you will see Westbrook and Curry getting their pushed in by a young 20 something year old guard. Common sense guys in their 20's are going to be more athletic than guys in their 30's thus will usually dominate guys in their 30's regardless of era pretty stupid rational by you but then again I'm not surprised.

Payton was still easily considered a top 10 PG no matter how much you try to it and Parker was 8 years away from his prime.

You don't understand how the NBA works, it's a cycle. It takes the average NBA player around 7 years to peak. Once they peak their bodies start to gradually break down, however they see a reduced role and learn new skills as they get older, Manu/TD/TP have changed over the years and especially their roles. The vets have a huge advantage in playing professional NBA ball for 10+ years over the younger players who are still developing their games and filling out.

Look at Lebron, Durant, Melo etc. just a few years ago they ruled the league, now they're getting outplayed by guys like Leonard, Butler, George, Giannis etc. Take away these new, much better crop of SF's and Bron' would still be ringing in MIA dropping monster games. All it took was a few years for the newer generation to catch up.

[daslicer]

Payton was still easily considered a top 10 PG no matter how much you try to it and Parker was 8 years away from his prime.

You don't understand how the NBA works, it's a cycle. It takes the average NBA player around 7 years to peak. Once they peak their bodies start to gradually break down, however they see a reduced role and learn new skills as they get older, Manu/TD/TP have changed over the years and especially their roles. The vets have a huge advantage in playing professional NBA ball for 10+ years over the younger players who are still developing their games and filling out.

Look at Lebron, Durant, Melo etc. just a few years ago they ruled the league, now they're getting outplayed by guys like Leonard, Butler, George, Giannis etc. Take away these new, much better crop of SF's and Bron' would still be ringing in MIA dropping monster games. All it took was a few years for the newer generation to catch up.

Your going off subject. Again no player is as good defensively in his 30's as he was in his 20's that's not the way things work. Both Parker and Ginobili are worse as defensive players today than what they were 10 years ago. Lebron's defense has been declining the last few years. For example Lebron can play great defense for stretches but he can't play great defense for a full game like he did when he was at his peak due to aging. Perimeter players can learn different ways to be effective offensively once there athletic ability declines but defense is another story all together. Big's on the other hand like Duncan can still be effective at a high level for years on D due to their size and length.

[Koolaid_Man]

Payton was still easily considered a top 10 PG no matter how much you try to it and Parker was 8 years away from his prime.

You don't understand how the NBA works, it's a cycle. It takes the average NBA player around 7 years to peak. Once they peak their bodies start to gradually break down, however they see a reduced role and learn new skills as they get older, Manu/TD/TP have changed over the years and especially their roles. The vets have a huge advantage in playing professional NBA ball for 10+ years over the younger players who are still developing their games and filling out.

Hahahaha you're a total re ......hahahaha......GP was 33 with major miles......Parker young legs and quick....don't try to spin and weasel by saying he was easily a top 10 point guard....so what was he 10th :lpl

What are your stats to back up such a claim.....

[ambchang]

You are right, MAR would've been MVP like curry in today's league,, and the nuggets would have been a record breaking team. They were ahead of their time.

[KL2]

Your going off subject. Again no player is as good defensively in his 30's as he was in his 20's that's not the way things work. Both Parker and Ginobili are worse as defensive players today than what they were 10 years ago. Lebron's defense has been declining the last few years. For example Lebron can play great defense for stretches but he can't play great defense for a full game like he did when he was at his peak due to aging. Perimeter players can learn different ways to be effective offensively once there athletic ability declines but defense is another story all together. Big's on the other hand like Duncan can still be effective at a high level for years on D due to their size and length.

Parker was 8 years removed from his prime, this is back when he could barely shoot the ball, back when he had strength issues, when he was getting benched for Speedy. Ginobili has been playing some of the best defense of his career this year, he ranks 4th in drpm this year, 9th last year, he's playing a reduced role keeping his body fresh and plays in a much more controlled manner than he used to. Parker has always been a ty defender, he's had maybe 2-3 good defensive years, it's just that now he's playing against Curry-WB-Cp3-Lowry etc. on a nightly basis and is getting ted on.
The whole big 3 has seen significantly reduced roles, the game is much easier on them just like it was GP.

-Duncan used to outright carry the old Spurs teams including Bowen's overrated ass, his role is a fraction of what it used to be years ago, it also really helps that he has Green-Leonard on the perimeter locking down opposing stars.

-Bron's playing some of the best defense of his career, he ranks 4th in drpm, a big jump up from his time with MIA, he's surrounded by better defenders than he was with MIA and is in his best physical condition in years. It's questionable whether he even gets to the ECF, his compe ion has gotten better. Like I said, take away Kawhi Leonard and Bron rings multiple times. It was a lot easier to dominate the league when he wasn't matching up with these stars like Leonard one night, Butler the next, PG, etc. even guys like Antetokounmpo are getting the better of KD in their match ups.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol mentioning a pos parker in this thread vs gary payton

the same gary payton who exposed his ass in the 03/04 playoffs after being up 2-0, was there an excuse to lose 4 straight games for the backdoor sweep?

[Stevie Johnson]

LOL Pippen should worry about getting rid of all those blackheads.

[Mikeanaro]

The Bulls would win the series, but I don't think they would sweep. They never swept in any of their Finals appearances, so what makes them so sure they would sweep the Warriors?

Under 90s rules Warrefs dont stand a chance, they needed 6 games no Irving no Love and pussy rules on their sides to win against CLE in the most horrible brickfest ever.

[Killakobe81]

Parker was 8 years removed from his prime, this is back when he could barely shoot the ball, back when he had strength issues, when he was getting benched for Speedy. Ginobili has been playing some of the best defense of his career this year, he ranks 4th in drpm this year, 9th last year, he's playing a reduced role keeping his body fresh and plays in a much more controlled manner than he used to. Parker has always been a ty defender, he's had maybe 2-3 good defensive years, it's just that now he's playing against Curry-WB-Cp3-Lowry etc. on a nightly basis and is getting ted on.
The whole big 3 has seen significantly reduced roles, the game is much easier on them just like it was GP.

-Duncan used to outright carry the old Spurs teams including Bowen's overrated ass, his role is a fraction of what it used to be years ago, it also really helps that he has Green-Leonard on the perimeter locking down opposing stars.

-Bron's playing some of the best defense of his career, he ranks 4th in drpm, a big jump up from his time with MIA, he's surrounded by better defenders than he was with MIA and is in his best physical condition in years. It's questionable whether he even gets to the ECF, his compe ion has gotten better. Like I said, take away Kawhi Leonard and Bron rings multiple times. It was a lot easier to dominate the league when he wasn't matching up with these stars like Leonard one night, Butler the next, PG, etc. even guys like Antetokounmpo are getting the better of KD in their match ups.

A missing component to this argument is that Shaq was hortible pnr defender and helped young Tony "torch" past his prime GP. I remember when they went to Fish more as the series went on ...Payton was pissed because he felt he was getting singled out for Tony's breakthrough performance. But Shaq was his boy so he directed his ire at Phil ...but as dominant Shaq still was on offense his out of shape self was leaving the glove alone on the high pnr.No one ever mentions that as a flaw on that Laker team ...they always blame Colorado, Kobe's chucking yhe Shaqobe beef and Malone getting hurt ...but forget Phil's ego, GP's bad triangle fot and defensive decline ...as well as Shaqs poor pnr defense were all factors on why the pistons kicked our ass.

Kobe should get the majority of the blame though it all started in Colorado ... But if you actually watched that team their was plenty of flaws.

[Molotov]

I took this thread as a troll joke then Scottie Pippen opened his mouth. The Warriors play at a higher pace than the 72 bulls ever faced in their parade. The Warriors are versatile and in much more in game shape than the 72 Bulls were and could ever be int their era. The Warriors have much more resources than that Bulls team ever had. Probably 20 times as much with analytic, 20 decades worth of in advanced, of the changes in basketball strategy. Especially with the new ways people condition themselves. Not only would that team be exposed by the Warriors, they would have been dominated. The Warriors fill up the whole chart. That Bulls team had no bench. It was basically the wealthy man's big three...and other . The Warriors have made 1000 plus threes this season setting the NBA record. The Bulls only scored 544 three point baskets.

Sit the down please. Don't tell me about this Jordan gonna shut down curry mess. They run his ass through so many screens.

Scrah, what is this verbal diarrhea? It's obvious you haven't seen three-peat Bulls play, judging by how you went full re on det one.

[Kawhitstorm]

Shaqs poor pnr defense were all factors on why the pistons kicked our ass.

Kobe should get the majority of the blame though it all started in Colorado ... But if you actually watched that team their was plenty of flaws.

Their main advantage against the Pistons was Kobe against Tayshaun (whom Manu/Wade/Lebron destroyed) but Kirby ended up laying bricks like James Harden in the 2012 Finals.

Shaq 26 (63%)
Rip 21 (40%)
Kirby 22 (38%)

Couldn't outplay Rip

Outside of the 2009 Finals against a Dwert led team (whom LeBron annihilated despite losing the series), Kirby has been pretty underwhelming in the Finals.

[DeRozan m8]

Bulls would win b/c they have the more marketable more athletic star in a bigger market; and the officiating would thusly benefit the Bulls.

lol im surprised this is the first time i've seen this anti-Jordan take

[~O~]

Ok. This a troll thread. Thank god. I thought you guys actually believed yourselves. Stats break this down so easily..its sad.

[Killakobe81]

Their main advantage against the Pistons was Kobe against Tayshaun (whom Manu/Wade/Lebron destroyed) but Kirby ended up laying bricks like James Harden in the 2012 Finals.

Shaq 26 (63%)
Rip 21 (40%)
Kirby 22 (38%)

Couldn't outplay Rip

Outside of the 2009 Finals against a Dwert led team (whom LeBron annihilated despite losing the series), Kirby has been pretty underwhelming in the Finals.

Not even disputing that but I can show big Finals games by Kobe in every FINALS series ... My point was that Shaq was on defense in pnr and when everyone is talking about GP getting torched they miss that fact.
You just pointed out that Kobe was defended by Prince what does it matter if Rip outplayed him well out FG% him?
That dopesnt make any sense tbh ...besides nothing you posted has anything to do with Shaq's bad pnr defense.

[Spurtacular]

lol im surprised this is the first time i've seen this anti-Jordan take

Anti-Jordan? NBA reality, tbh.

[hater]

Pippen is 1000% correct. Next question

[Molotov]

It's true the 96' Bulls not only would have the advantage of having played against far better compe ion in the talent rich 90's, which in itself would be more than enough to all over this softass Warrior team, but they'd also have Jordan's star power in getting favourable calls.

[Benoit]

Comparing teams in different eras is stupid

The rules are different and the teams focus on prioritizing whatever is most important at the time

MJs Bulls are the greatest team of their era just like Stephs Dubs are by far the best team of this era

Kobes Lakers were the best of the previous era

[DeRozan m8]

I love how the Warriors win one ring...have a good reg season and s reckon they're the GOAT lol

The stupidity of gots like Benoit astounds me

[UZER]

It's unfair to compare. This is like asking an 8 yr old from the 90s that plays super nes to compete with an 8 yr old from today who plays COD. The level of and layers of sophistication is on a whole notha level. Sure ultimately it's the same, they're both playing games, but one was born with a 2 button controller in his hand, the other with 12.

The Warriors would have the Bulls heads spinning. They offenses now have plays within plays within plays because the defenses have schemes within schemes within schemes. This is regarding top teams from the eras, not the teams around each league.

[Kawhitstorm]

You just pointed out that Kobe was defended by Prince what does it matter if Rip outplayed him well out FG% him?

Mr. record 9 times All-NBA 1st team defense Kirby was guarding Rip!

[Splits]

Comparing teams in different eras is stupid

The rules are different and the teams focus on prioritizing whatever is most important at the time

MJs Bulls are the greatest team of their era just like Stephs Dubs are by far the best team of this era

Kobes Lakers were the best of the previous era

dis nigger gotta be the stupidest dude to ever gain access to this site.

[daslicer]

It's unfair to compare. This is like asking an 8 yr old from the 90s that plays super nes to compete with an 8 yr old from today who plays COD. The level of and layers of sophistication is on a whole notha level. Sure ultimately it's the same, they're both playing games, but one was born with a 2 button controller in his hand, the other with 12.

The Warriors would have the Bulls heads spinning. They offenses now have plays within plays within plays because the defenses have schemes within schemes within schemes. This is regarding top teams from the eras, not the teams around each league.

I have heard that even the current 5 year old gamers are too skilled today compared to kids who were gamers during the 90's. These 5 year olds are super skilled due to Chinese Bloc training that a 90's classic like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter is way too easy for them.

[midnightpulp]

He couldn't even win the battle with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, forget Curry:




Spurs used a team defense to stop Curry, it involved a ton of switching, including bringing the agile 270lb Aldridge out on Curry, and it was only made possible because Leonard locked up Thompson.
Green is actually a pretty good athlete, I think he may be bow legged or something which would help explain why he moves so well laterally but can't do on offense.

The talent pool has also changed dramatically since the mid-late 80's when they marketed the out of MJ to the masses, I know you like to ignore that fact. The talent pool was a gradual increase up until that time then completely exploded being put on the world stage.

Citing one game anomalies as "evidence"

Why don't you post their whole heads up history?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=abdulma02

And yeah, about modern defensive schemes. Imagine Jordan and Pippen on the Spurs playing under Pop's defensive philosophy. It would be unfair ( D-League Green in the same universe as Jordan). Also, the Spurs man up plenty of times on Curry. The heavy switching is often a result of the Warriors sending Curry through an avalanche of picks.

Jordan played as a washed up 40 year old when the World invasion was really strong (Dirk, Peja, Parker, Yao, rookie Manu, rookie Pau, etc), and he still managed solid numbers, and was a net positive player on the floor.

Like always you have little argument (never backed up by statistics, coherent arguments, etc) and just appeal to "bodies filling out" and/or posting silly videos of fathers teaching their kids terrible dribbling mechanics.