Yeah, some of us can continue to live in the present while still embracing the past.
Total BS. That is just stupid. He gets double teamed in multiple ways. Tell me that's not planned. Holy crap...
Double teams on the opponent's top player is not changing your game plan. Nobody is entering a game thinking "omg we're playing Kawhi we're ed he's unguardable".
nice posts in this thread brother
spot on
You rushed the floor for Jordan when he rang in your building. I spit on you.
Who, besides Curry, is unguardable (sic)? LMA? You think he's game-planned? No?
How about Paul George? That guy unguardable (sic)?
Think he's not game-planned?
Kawhi is game-planned because his success is integral to the Spurs Offense and coaches actually care about like that.
Get that concept?
Just like LMA is too.
WHOA! WHOA!
LMA is too?!!!
Did I just blow your mind?
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And you're still saying that he's better than Lebron right now, which is why I called you ing delusional.
both players suffer from the same disregard of iq for the game. for a personally anointed 'high iq player' le choke suffers from shying away from the basket in crunch time, relying on fadeaway threes at the buzzer.... wtf is wrong with the nba?
Very astute. It's in our best collective interests that Mr. New-Torch-Bearer takes this on with as much fervor as the physical side of the game.
How could they not be? He's the team's leading scorer, and he's now a threat from long range. If they're not preparing for Kawhi, they're prepared to lose.
A lot of people are saying Kawhi is better than Lebron this year. You just got done saying he is better than prime Pippen in another thread. Though I do enjoy your sass mister!
So Kawhi > Lebron and = Curry? Jfc.
PPG allowed is a poor measure of team defense because Warriors play much faster. Warriors are 4th in Def. Efficiency, less than 5 points per 100 possessions worse than the Spurs. Opponents shoot the same FG% and 3P% against them. They're good on defense and Curry is too.
Certainly not because of offense, it's because LeBron's defense has fallen off significantly. His DRPM is sub top-50, whereas his ORPM beats Kawhi's by more than a full point.
That's a good point, and you're right. I was reaching.
The point I was trying to get to - Curry is better on offense, but Kawhi closes some of the value gap with better defense. I still think that's true. It's always hard to quantify defensive contribution, and that's sort of frustrating. It's the same with people underestimating the defense of prime LeBron. But if defense still wins championships, it will be a case for the value of Kawhi's defense vs. Curry's offense.
I suppose when people say that they take into account something like this: 4 Examples
Curry offense 100%, Curry Defence 70%= 170%
LeBron offense 90%, LeBron Defence 80%= 170%
Durant offense 100%, Durant Defence 70%= 170%
Leonard offense 80% Leonard Defence 100%= 180%
Hence, Kawhi is the best 2 way player in the game. But take into account Curry and Durant's offense is more like a 120% in the scheme of things giving them 190%. But as there's no such thing as 120% they 'only' get 100% so Kawhi gets the nod for best 2 way payer. Maybe that's a formulation they take into account when saying that. But yes it's a bull thing to say anyway.
Since a lot of the people you're referring to are saying that Kawhi is better than Curry in this thread, I'm sure they're saying he's better than Lebron. Dude just bypasses the breakout year and goes right to supers om. Amazing.
Mostly because of Pippen's refusal to go into that game, tbh.
Exactly. I've watched NBA basketball for more than 3 decades. I don't recall anyone else being called the best two way player. But now, whether it's ESPN, TNT or NBA TV, they all say the same thing, and they say it EVERY TIME they mention him: "Kawhi Leonard is the best two way player in the game." I guess they made it up specifically for Kawhi.
Maybe they made it up because the"best" player today (Curry) is a defensive liability. But if that's the case, why wasn't anyone called the best two way player while Steve Nash was winning his MVPs?
You guys are just getting stupid now.
The term has been used to describe players forever. Walt Frazier, Joe Dumars, Dennis Johnson, Artis Gilmore, Dave Cowens, Ron Artest, Rasheed Wallace, Andre Iguodala.
And it's NOT an insult. You'll see guys like Garnett, Duncan and Kobe (when he used to play defense) called two-way players, even though they were top players without any qualification.
Don't take my word for it. The internet was around before the 2011 draft. Do a search. I'm sure there are thousands of articles about the above guys being "two-way" players.
I went ahead and created a Google search for you guys. I put -NFL in there because there were a few football links that made the front pages.
Best two-way players in the nba prior to Kawhi leonard being drafted.
Dumars wasn't a top defender at his position though he had an A offense. Artest didn't have a serious offensive impact even in his prime in Indy. Did you know Iggy was a top defender before last year finals? I didn't...Kawhi is called "two way" just because his offense isn't good enough to call it a top level compared to Durant or Lebron though he is a major offensive option in the NBA second best team, but his defense is on the top level compared to anyone in the league now.
Kawhi dominates defensively on small forward position having a very efficient offensive arsenal. Last one who did that was Pip. Artest, Prince, Bowen, Battier, Iggy, Johnson, Frazier are just from another league.
Because they are giving him credit.
He's not good enough to be talked about with curry, but he's a better defender, so they want to give him credit where credit is due and use that as a talking point.
Analysis not for the krew of heart.
I just had a quick look at the Mock Draft app by ESPN and in my scenario the Lakers draft Brandon Ingram at #2. The draft analysis states: "He's 20 pounds away from being a devastating two-way player."
But hey, nobody has ever been called a two-way player in the history of the NBA apart from (disrespecting) Kawhi
Well, they seem more realistic than these old fans who keep saying these crazy things in 2016.
At least, they know that Kawhi's just 24 years old and has a lot of room for improvement...
Aaaaand I stopped reading right there. Not sure anything else in your post could possibly be any dumber.
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