The Tony Parker Thread

[ElNono]

FWIW, the only player I ever hated was/is Bonner... didn't even hate Rasho, tbh

[ElNono]

it's all good when you don't insult my intelligence which is not the case here...

decent
it is not a knock
throwing the good ol' teammate wife when short of argument

let us proceed but without me

we were discussing Tony Parker the person, why would stuff like that not matter? Although Kobe is worse though... at least Tony is no snitch

[daslicer]

FWIW, the only player I ever hated was/is Bonner... didn't even hate Rasho, tbh

I think Rasho was the first foreign player in which Stephen A Smith openly expressed his strong xenophobia for.

[Slippy]

Most of what Tony does is orchestrated by Pop, or I should say most of what Tony tries to do is orchestrated by Pop. There are plenty moments that most of us can easily identify when we see them that Tony just gets into his "me" mode and ignores wide open shooters in favor of Tony Parker ball. When Kevin Martin was in one of his first few games, he got out on the break ahead of Tony, the lane filled with defenders and Kevin was left all alone. Tony looked him off and drove into the paint, turned the ball over and ed at the refs all the way back. Any other Spurs player including Tim Duncan (especially Tim) would have hit Kevin Martin, no questions asked, and lived with the outcome. Tony thinks Kevin needs to "earn" his respect. He's got a complex of "I was abused, I worked my way here, through torture from Pop, so it's my team..this is my time, now... Tissot" which sounds a lot like "piss off" coming from Tony.

Its low iq if we were to judge Tony as a PG only. Any player that looks off Lamarcus Alderidge posting up
Louis Schola so he can run a play for himself or danny green cant be that bright in the decision-making business.

[Obstructed_View]

I think Rasho was the first foreign player in which Stephen A Smith openly expressed his strong xenophobia for.

The word you're searching for is "racism".

[daslicer]

The word you're searching for is "racism".

Agreed that is true.

[GSH]

When you include playoff minutes, Parker has about 42,000 total NBA minutes, compared to about 30,000 for Manu. A lot of Manu's have been Demolition Derby, but that's still a HUGE difference in mileage. I didn't look to see how many minutes each has played in the summers, but they've both played a lot for their NT's. I don't think you can deny that Tony has a lot more wear and tear on him than Manu.

Andre Miller only has two more years in the league than Parker, but has been a bench player for the last 5 seasons, and he has over 40,000 minutes compared to Parker's 34,000. But... when you put in playoff minutes, they both have right at 42,000 minutes. So Parker has almost the exact same NBA mileage as Andre Miller, but a LOT more of Parker's have been brutal playoff minutes. Is it really that surprising that he might have lost a step? It doesn't surprise anyone that Miller is slower than he used to be.

TBH, when you look at Tony's career minutes, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's fallen off. Michael Finley was pretty well worn out when he retired. He had about 42,000 minutes (including playoffs) in 15 seasons - that's exactly where Parker is right now. Steve Nash was pretty pathetic when he retired - part was his back, but part was that he had 42,000 career minutes (including playoffs) ... the same as Parker right now.

It's probably more amazing that Parker is playing as good as he is.

[gilmor]

When you include playoff minutes, Parker has about 42,000 total NBA minutes, compared to about 30,000 for Manu. A lot of Manu's have been Demolition Derby, but that's still a HUGE difference in mileage. I didn't look to see how many minutes each has played in the summers, but they've both played a lot for their NT's. I don't think you can deny that Tony has a lot more wear and tear on him than Manu.

Andre Miller only has two more years in the league than Parker, but has been a bench player for the last 5 seasons, and he has over 40,000 minutes compared to Parker's 34,000. But... when you put in playoff minutes, they both have right at 42,000 minutes. So Parker has almost the exact same NBA mileage as Andre Miller, but a LOT more of Parker's have been brutal playoff minutes. Is it really that surprising that he might have lost a step? It doesn't surprise anyone that Miller is slower than he used to be.

TBH, when you look at Tony's career minutes, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's fallen off. Michael Finley was pretty well worn out when he retired. He had about 42,000 minutes (including playoffs) in 15 seasons - that's exactly where Parker is right now. Steve Nash was pretty pathetic when he retired - part was his back, but part was that he had 42,000 career minutes (including playoffs) ... the same as Parker right now.

It's probably more amazing that Parker is playing as good as he is.

Golden post.. As in any sports, decline in any sportsman is a well anticipated outcome..

unless you are like Lance, who injects himself with fake blood and epo and manage to win TdF 7 times..

[dabom]

Comparing a PG who can't dunk to a SG who is stressing his body more.

[DMC]

Here's what I've seen ITT:

1. Why Parker sucks
2. It's not Parker's fault he sucks
3. Parker isn't the only one who sucks


I've not seen anything to say that Parker won't lose his starting position to someone like Kevin ing Martin if he has a ty showing in the post season. Why would real talent stick around or come here if the Spurs aren't willing to make the changes necessary at EVERY position to be successful?

No go ahead and move the goal posts again and talk about how the Spurs "could still win", because it has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Then again, neither does WHY Parker sucks, or that anyone else on the team also sucks, or who's fault it is that Parker sucks. All that matters is this: If Parker has a 3rd consecutive ty showing in the playoffs, will he still be the starting PG next season? Remember, Parker was having a ty playoffs in 2014 when they won the ring, so it's not like Parker having a ty outing means Spurs can't win. It just means Pop has to hide Tony on the bench or behind some non-factor on offense.

[gambit1990]

All that matters is this: If Parker has a 3rd consecutive ty showing in the playoffs, will he still be the starting PG next season?

he will be starting at PG next season regardless of anything. but hopefully not.

[GSH]

All that matters is this: If Parker has a 3rd consecutive ty showing in the playoffs, will he still be the starting PG next season? Remember, Parker was having a ty playoffs in 2014 when they won the ring, so it's not like Parker having a ty outing means Spurs can't win. It just means Pop has to hide Tony on the bench or behind some non-factor on offense.

I thought it was understood from his minutes. Right now, this very minute, Tony is a Top 50 All-Time player... in total minutes played. When you add together regular season and playoff minutes, Tony is somewhere in the top 50. And of those 50, not many are point guards. It should be pretty obvious to anyone that Tony is at or very near the end of his career as a starting PG, simply because he's already out where few PG's have gone before. That's not a knock on Tony, it's an accomplishment. But it's also a fact of life. I don't have an exact count, but there probably aren't more than about a handful of PG's who have played more total NBA minutes than Tony.

Some people here may not want to acknowledge it, but I guarantee you the Spurs FO knows it. So, yeah, if he has a bad showing in the playoffs, they are going to be looking for a younger PG. Probably even if he's better than last year. I don't know if they can get one, or if Tony will stay and come off the bench. But you bet your ass the FO will be looking.

For the record:
Remember how old Terry Porter was when he retired? Tony has more minutes than him.
Derek Harper played until he was ancient. Tony has more mileage/minutes than he did.
Allen Iverson led the league in minutes played more than once, and played till he was shot. Tony has more mileage than he did.
Jerry West, with all the playoff minutes he got, still only had a little over 1,000 more minutes than Parker has now. That's about half a season worth.
Jason Terry has about 1,500 minutes more than Parker, but he's only good for spot minutes now, not starting like Tony.
You have to go up to someone like Gary Payton to find a PG with appreciably more minutes than Parker has played.
Stockton, Kidd, Payton, Terry, and West are, I think, the only PG's with more NBA minutes than Parker. Nash and Miller, as I said, are about tied, or close to it.
Not to mention all the summer ball he's played that those other guys didn't.

So what's wrong with Parker? He's ing old for an NBA PG. Of course people should be wondering if he can be the starting PG on an championship team.

[will_spurs]

Here's what I've seen ITT:

1. DMC spewing unsubstantiated crap
2. DMC being schooled
3. DMC trying some weak comeback

Fixed it for you.

I've not seen anything to say that Parker won't lose his starting position to someone like Kevin ing Martin if he has a ty showing in the post season.

Well, he won't. You've read it here first.

If Parker has a 3rd consecutive ty showing in the playoffs [...] Remember, Parker was having a ty playoffs in 2014 when they won the ring, so it's not like Parker having a ty outing means Spurs can't win.

The thing is, you remember wrong (hint: when it comes to Parker, you always remember wrong). He didn't have a ty outing in 2014. He went 17.4 & 4.8 on 48% shooting, was a key player in some big games, and had basically the same line than in 2005 (which won't surprise you because deep inside you're convinced that Parker has actually been ty every year).

You keep rewriting history but remember that repeating lies doesn't make them truth, it just turns you into GWB.

[DMC]

Fixed it for you.

Everything I said is substantiated.

You're only giving your Vegas bet style opinion, nothing else. Given your proclivity for ty takes I'd start looking for work if I was Tony.

Parker stat padded. We all know it. He had a horrible outing.

[Brazil]

Comparing a PG who can't dunk to a SG who is stressing his body more.

that's a crappy argument tbh... Parker spent his career to be among the players who run the most distance per game so in 100 games he probably run the equivalent a 110 games compared to an average nba player. And that without taking into account the fact he is a 6'2 PG spending most of his time in the paint going against the centers of the games...

[Brazil]

Here's what I've seen ITT:

1. Why Parker sucks
2. It's not Parker's fault he sucks
3. Parker isn't the only one who sucks


I've not seen anything to say that Parker won't lose his starting position to someone like Kevin ing Martin if he has a ty showing in the post season. Why would real talent stick around or come here if the Spurs aren't willing to make the changes necessary at EVERY position to be successful?

No go ahead and move the goal posts again and talk about how the Spurs "could still win", because it has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Then again, neither does WHY Parker sucks, or that anyone else on the team also sucks, or who's fault it is that Parker sucks. All that matters is this: If Parker has a 3rd consecutive ty showing in the playoffs, will he still be the starting PG next season? Remember, Parker was having a ty playoffs in 2014 when they won the ring, so it's not like Parker having a ty outing means Spurs can't win. It just means Pop has to hide Tony on the bench or behind some non-factor on offense.

you are full of tbh...

First you start a thread about Parker suck like we don't have 100 of them already and IF Parker continues to suck (for his third straight PO) will he lose his starting PG job (never discussed before too) ? Now you are ing because people actually discuss your OP ? What were you expecting tbh ? a Yes or a No ?...

Then you sum up the thread with people "defending" Parker and forget the dabom, gambit, elnono that represent near half of the thread and get emo because (omg) some people actually disagree about Parker sucking in 2014...

smh...

[DMC]

you are full of tbh...

First you start a thread about Parker suck like we don't have 100 of them already and IF Parker continues to suck (for his third straight PO) will he lose his starting PG job (never discussed before too) ? Now you are ing because people actually discuss your OP ? What were you expecting tbh ? a Yes or a No ?...

Then you sum up the thread with people "defending" Parker and forget the dabom, gambit, elnono that represent near half of the thread and get emo because (omg) some people actually disagree about Parker sucking in 2014...

smh...

Tony is still a threat to score, but is that what we need with KL and LMA leading the offense? Do we need a 17 second dribbler who gets his points or do we need a guy who can find LMA and KL and get the team involved? Manu is as good a PG as Tony if not better, and that's not even his position. Let's not try to pull wool over the eyes of the forum.

[ElNono]

Everything I said is substantiated.

You're only giving your Vegas bet style opinion, nothing else. Given your proclivity for ty takes I'd start looking for work if I was Tony.

Parker stat padded. We all know it. He had a horrible outing.

well, damn... can't argue with any of that, tbh

[ElNono]

you are full of tbh...

First you start a thread about Parker suck like we don't have 100 of them already and IF Parker continues to suck (for his third straight PO) will he lose his starting PG job (never discussed before too) ? Now you are ing because people actually discuss your OP ? What were you expecting tbh ? a Yes or a No ?...

Then you sum up the thread with people "defending" Parker and forget the dabom, gambit, elnono that represent near half of the thread and get emo because (omg) some people actually disagree about Parker sucking in 2014...

smh...

didn't you call Parker done at some point, tbh?

[Brazil]

Tony is still a threat to score, but is that what we need with KL and LMA leading the offense? Do we need a 17 second dribbler who gets his points or do we need a guy who can find LMA and KL and get the team involved? Manu is as good a PG as Tony if not better, and that's not even his position. Let's not try to pull wool over the eyes of the forum.

smh...where did you get that 17 seconds dribbler come from ? LMA and KL are getting fed pretty well tbh... did not know Spurs issues right now where how to feed LMA and KL... I thought issues were about having another scoring threat. Spurs offense is doing pretty well currently. Now what's your point ? There are better PGs in the NBA ? no sherlock... In Spurs roster who would you put as starting pg ? Mills ?

I personnally would love Spurs to have a PG capable to do the job and let Parker with second unit... I have no issue at all with that...

Parker is doing fine so far, I thought he was done after last euro, he is not done and still a capable dude... he is what he is in today's league a vet with average production, getting the job done with a great efficiency in terms of shooting. His assits per 36 is higher than previous years, his assist/to ratio is stable... not sure wtf you want

but go ahead with your IF maybe he sucks in POs

[Brazil]

didn't you call Parker done at some point, tbh?

yup

for me he was done and would struggle to adapt to a new role... it seems I overreacted

[J_Paco]

Yet, you are/were right that Tony is done as an elite starting PG. He has proven most wrong and played the peripheral ("role player") role better than expected. I am really concerned about his second half slide and what that could mean for the playoffs, though.

He needs to find that aggression and second gear because the team will need his offense in spurts.

[Splits]

I have my favorites too, but I kind of sympathize with Nono bc even when he dislikes my guy for example, he's not a guy who will be wishing others flat out flunk. Or maybe I misread that?
I know Manu can do no wrong by him. I cut Anderson more slack than anyone too. It doesn't mean when I am wishing others ill and he didn't strike me as that. That was all I meant.

Although believe you me I am aware how partial he's to Manu and how critical he's of others.

I'm in love with you, you sexy little beast.

[diego]

When you include playoff minutes, Parker has about 42,000 total NBA minutes, compared to about 30,000 for Manu. A lot of Manu's have been Demolition Derby, but that's still a HUGE difference in mileage. I didn't look to see how many minutes each has played in the summers, but they've both played a lot for their NT's. I don't think you can deny that Tony has a lot more wear and tear on him than Manu.

Andre Miller only has two more years in the league than Parker, but has been a bench player for the last 5 seasons, and he has over 40,000 minutes compared to Parker's 34,000. But... when you put in playoff minutes, they both have right at 42,000 minutes. So Parker has almost the exact same NBA mileage as Andre Miller, but a LOT more of Parker's have been brutal playoff minutes. Is it really that surprising that he might have lost a step? It doesn't surprise anyone that Miller is slower than he used to be.

TBH, when you look at Tony's career minutes, it shouldn't be any surprise that he's fallen off. Michael Finley was pretty well worn out when he retired. He had about 42,000 minutes (including playoffs) in 15 seasons - that's exactly where Parker is right now. Steve Nash was pretty pathetic when he retired - part was his back, but part was that he had 42,000 career minutes (including playoffs) ... the same as Parker right now.

It's probably more amazing that Parker is playing as good as he is.

manu has easy another 7000 minutes from europe and argentina, not counting the NT. He played more for argentina than parker did for france too, not trying to make a dig but Argentina was going farther and France I believe failed to qualify for an olympics or two. While mileage is relevant, style of play makes a big difference, and a zero mileage! thirty year old isnt going to play into his forties simply because age matters. I do agree that Tony has held up well, the speed isnt what it used to be but people are blowing his "decline" out of proportion. his role is smaller, of course his scoring is a little bit down but he is still contributing an important role. Spurs fans have come to expect all of the big 3 to hold up till 40 but as you wrote its not at all common for players to age as well as tim and to a lesser extent manu have and I have to reluctantly admit that pop's minute management is probably the reason. what ticks me off with Tony is stuff like the other night, Duncan dives to the floor to save a loose ball and Tony just watches. Sometimes it just doesnt look like hes trying hard enough, but he could be saving himself for the playoffs- I hope.

[pgardn]

manu has easy another 7000 minutes from europe and argentina, not counting the NT. He played more for argentina than parker did for france too, not trying to make a dig but Argentina was going farther and France I believe failed to qualify for an olympics or two. While mileage is relevant, style of play makes a big difference, and a zero mileage! thirty year old isnt going to play into his forties simply because age matters. I do agree that Tony has held up well, the speed isnt what it used to be but people are blowing his "decline" out of proportion. his role is smaller, of course his scoring is a little bit down but he is still contributing an important role. Spurs fans have come to expect all of the big 3 to hold up till 40 but as you wrote its not at all common for players to age as well as tim and to a lesser extent manu have and I have to reluctantly admit that pop's minute management is probably the reason. what ticks me off with Tony is stuff like the other night, Duncan dives to the floor to save a loose ball and Tony just watches. Sometimes it just doesnt look like hes trying hard enough, but he could be saving himself for the playoffs- I hope.

Tony has never been the type to get on the floor. That's just not who he is. Manu will have a testicle crushed and then go out and take another charge. But what all real basketball people understand is he is our best PG. You can hate him for his lack of sacrifice in this area, but it's undeniable that he IS OUR PG.

I just can't believe people don't realize this. We do not have Chris Paul or Steph Curry, we have Tony Parker. So he will get blocked by Gobert penetrating to the basket. He will hit Patty for a wide open 3 while penetrating. He will get stuck in the corner and hit a bail out 3. He will feed Kawhi for a dunk. He will fall on the ground and take his time picking his perfectly round head off the floor.

Tony Parker plays PG for the San Antonio Spurs.