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    Actually that isn't what the emails say.

    That is what the author of the piece thinks they say.

    Rather large difference.

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    It`s Hilary`s emails. She`s not the author but recipient. le is correct. But that`s not the issue, the issue is that USA with France destabilized whole region just for gold, oil and money.

    This is the wikileaks article about it

    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12659

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    It`s Hilary`s emails. She`s not the author but recipient. le is correct. But that`s not the issue, the issue is that USA with France destabilized whole region just for gold, oil and money.

    This is the wikileaks article about it

    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12659
    Yes, France wanted to re-establish its cred in Africa, and the USA/US$ industry absolutely had to shutdown Qaddafi's pan-African currency project, and stop him from selling oil/gas in Euros.

    Spreading liberty and democracy? G M A F B

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    Actually that isn't what the emails say.

    That is what the author of the piece thinks they say.

    Rather large difference.
    True, but is there accountability for that gold? Maybe it was seized...

    We know he had it. At the time, Qaddafi only selling his oil for gold was the only true reason anyone had to want him out. As I said before, he was on the verve of creating a united Africa, at least united northern Africa. The first world powers did not want this to happen.

    The NATO actions taken should be a war crime, with all those charged who took part in pushing that illegal agenda.

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    Yes, France wanted to re-establish its cred in Africa, and the USA/US$ industry absolutely had to shutdown Qaddafi's pan-African currency project, and stop him from selling oil/gas in Euros.

    Spreading liberty and democracy? G M A F B
    And it was your favorite demonrats who did it!

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    It`s Hilary`s emails. She`s not the author but recipient. le is correct. But that`s not the issue, the issue is that USA with France destabilized whole region just for gold, oil and money.

    This is the wikileaks article about it

    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12659
    There is no support in the emails for the statement "destabilized region just for gold, oil, and money".

    I will assume the emails concern the rather factual, and cogent, analysis of the impacts of instability, and have absolutely nothing to do with intent of the US Government, until you can prove your assertion.

    Please show what part of the emails demonstrates intent, if that is what you want to claim. Direct quotes, with links would suffice.

    What you have given in this link is an email citing as sources "knowledgeable individuals" who made the claim about what France was doing, and even that low-quality source just said "oil", and didn't say anything about the gold being the motive, and even then only commented on France's motives, not the U.S.

    If that is what you have, you have a really ty basis to build that claim on.

    "Unnamed person A said that Person B else did X for reason Y."

    Surely you can do better, right?

    You realize that the speculation of unnamed sources with no known expertise/knowledge of what they are opining on is kind of a ty way to prove something, right?
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    True, but is there accountability for that gold? Maybe it was seized...

    We know he had it. At the time, Qaddafi only selling his oil for gold was the only true reason anyone had to want him out. As I said before, he was on the verve of creating a united Africa, at least united northern Africa. The first world powers did not want this to happen.

    The NATO actions taken should be a war crime, with all those charged who took part in pushing that illegal agenda.
    "[Quadafi] was on the [verge] of creating a united Africa, at least united northern Africa"



    (wipes tears)

    Seriously, that made me laugh.

    No, he wasn't. You never even came close to proving that. You showed what the nutbar wanted to do. Plenty of dictators fancy themselves regional saviors, often in the self-delusional way that ego-driven individuals can have in viewing their place in the world.

    What you failed to show, rather spectacularly was that other leaders/governments would have gone along with him.

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    "[Quadafi] was on the [verge] of creating a united Africa, at least united northern Africa"



    (wipes tears)

    Seriously, that made me laugh.

    No, he wasn't. You never even came close to proving that. You showed what the nutbar wanted to do. Plenty of dictators fancy themselves regional saviors.

    What you failed to show, rather spectacularly was that other leaders/governments would have gone along with him.
    Those liberal blogs really have you brainwashed.

    His support was spreading. He wasn't a nutbar. Over the years as he matured, he became a pretty smart man and did great things for Libya. Outside of the radicals who wanted Sharia law, his citizens were treated very well, and had the best living standard of all African nations.

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    Those liberal blogs really have you brainwashed.

    His support was spreading.
    (shrugs)

    Fine. Please demonstrate that. If it is true, you should be able to easily support it.

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    There is no support in the emails for the statement "destabilized region just for gold, oil, and money".

    I will assume the emails concern the rather factual, and cogent, analysis of the impacts of instability, and have absolutely nothing to do with intent of the US Government, until you can prove your assertion.

    Please show what part of the emails demonstrates intent, if that is what you want to claim. Direct quotes, with links would suffice.

    What you have given in this link is an email citing as sources "knowledgeable individuals" who made the claim about what France was doing, and even that low-quality source just said "oil", and didn't say anything about the gold being the motive, and even then only commented on France's motives, not the U.S.

    If that is what you have, you have a really ty basis to build that claim on.

    "Unnamed person A said that Person B else did X for reason Y."

    Surely you can do better, right?

    You realize that the speculation of unnamed sources with no known expertise/knowledge of what they are opining on is kind of a ty way to prove something, right?
    Why there are always people saying that nobody is responsible for their action, based on that he/she didn`t wrote/say excatly what happend ?

    I have no ing idea who is Sidney Blumenthal, but he wrote this emails to high US goverment oficial.

    And France, destabilized whole region, by taking down Kaddafi. What happend to those 142 tons of gold, probably somebody stole it. Well, at least if backfired at France and Sarkozy.

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    (shrugs)

    Fine. Please demonstrate that. If it is true, you should be able to easily support it.
    No you prove it's not true #wildcobra

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    (shrugs)

    Fine. Please demonstrate that. If it is true, you should be able to easily support it.
    That was five years ago now. I don't care what you believe, and I'm not going to try to dig that information up, on an internet with search engines that give too many results of things not being searched for too.

    TMI...

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    Lol yes! I got it in before he posted it.

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    Lol yes! I got it in before he posted it.
    Maybe you don't have better things to do. I do. I have to wonder how meaningless your life must be if you think everyone has time to find such things, just because you do.

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    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
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    Maybe you don't have better things to do. I do. I have to wonder how meaningless your life must be if you think everyone has time to find such things, just because you do.
    By better things to do, you mean post claims that come straight out of your ass on a San Antonio Spur politics forum.

    Got it.

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    You may also want to educate yourself with stuff like this:


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    By better things to do, you mean post claims that come straight out of your ass on a San Antonio Spur politics forum.

    Got it.
    Will you please stop master-baiting?

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    Will you please stop master-baitng?
    Wtf. Why are you thinking about me like that.

    I've got better things to do right now. Like make fun of you for making up on a San Antonio Spurs political sub forum.

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    Will you please stop master-baiting?
    Did Cobra just call himself a "Master" and accuse Blake of "baiting" him?

    Must be; masturbating isn't really that hard to spell.

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    Did Cobra just call himself a "Master" and accuse Blake of "baiting" him?

    Must be; masturbating isn't really that hard to spell.
    Slow with the jokes... aren't you...

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    Did Cobra just call himself a "Master" and accuse Blake of "baiting" him?

    Must be; masturbating isn't really that hard to spell.
    I didn't give him that credit. I thought he really misspelled it.

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    Slow with the jokes... aren't you...
    Don't you have better things to do than make jokes here

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    And this is news how? I been clamoring this for years.

    Of course we got rid of ghadafi for oil and power. And shillary was on the forefront.

    She due to this is also the grandmother of ISIS besides being an ambassadorkilla.

    How is this news again???

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