So Kevin Durant is being talked about...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kevin-d...132132999.html
What would it take for him to come here salary cap wise?
Not buying this is a thing btw, but a sign and trade where Spurs send out Parker, Green, and Boris gets you in KDs Max Salary ballpark I think.
More likely I think KD signs a 1+1 and does this next year. Will give him a better idea about Westbrooks long term intentions.
Nothing. Because it isn't happening.
Teletovic has had a great bounce-back season after his blood clot issue, tbh..a lot of people here wanted him and saw him as a logical fit with the Spurs, I think his contract was only 1-year with the Suns IIRC
He's a terrible defender (Marco status) but considering Ryan Anderson is going to get close to the max, wouldn't mind him for the MLE.
Terrible on defense and one of the biggest ballhogs in the league, but I don't mind those traits for a bench big
Basically, swap him for Bonner/Boban.Terrible on defense and one of the biggest ballhogs in the league, but I don't mind those traits for a bench big
Apparently he wants to remain a Sun and the feeling is mutual. He only makes sense for the Spurs anyway if they move on from Diaw, since they two can't play together at all.
This team clearly needs a rotation caliber, true stretch four, but I suspect they have Aldridge re-dedicate himself to being one (albeit a low volume one) and hope Bertans can eventually fill the role. Granted, he's not a true power forward and won't be a rotation player next season, if ever.
The biggest need is finding a point guard who fits the profile of Joseph. If it's not going to be there at 29, I could see them pursuing a trade for someone like Grant or Wright.
Starting center will obviously be the immediate need, should Duncan retire, but I could see them settling on a low cost option like Aldrich or (Miles) Plumlee and having them, Aldridge and Marjanovic, play it by committee.
Jon Leuer is fine w/ me as a Bonner replacement. If D-West opts-in then Teletovic probably wouldn't get enough minutes to keep him happy.
Gary Payton II can approximate CoJoThe biggest need is finding a point guard who fits the profile of Joseph. If it's not going to be there at 29, I could see them pursuing a trade for someone like Grant or Wright.
Plumlee is Baynes status, I'm not sure he's starting center material on a contender.Starting center will obviously be the immediate need, should Duncan retire, but I could see them settling on a low cost option like Aldrich or (Miles) Plumlee and having them, Aldridge and Marjanovic, play it by committee.
If Aldrich plays well in the postseason then I wouldn't mind him tag-teaming w/ Boban.
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I don't mind Leuer, but he's a low volume three-point shooter. They already have Diaw and Aldridge will probably get back to being that next season. This team needs a gunner and it'll probably be Bertans.Jon Leuer is fine w/ me as a Bonner replacement. If D-West opts-in then Teletovic probably wouldn't get enough minutes to keep him happy.
Gary Payton II can approximate CoJo
Plumlee is Baynes status, I'm not sure he's starting center material on a contender.
If Aldrich plays well in the postseason then I wouldn't mind him tag-teaming w/ Boban.
No chance West opts-in. Even if he stays (I doubt it, but we'll see), it's not going to be for the veteran's minimum again.
I never said "Payton II can approximate Joseph", idiot. I said, if he's of that mold, he might be worthwhile. Either way, they need someone of that mold.
Plumlee isn't a starter period. But if Duncan retires this off season, they'll be in tough to sign a legitimate one. Short term, they could get by without one and have it played by committee. Plumlee and Aldrich are the types that would theoretically compliment Aldridge, but neither would be more than a 20 mpg player.
Dummy, *I* said "Payton II can approximate Joseph"!
I would expect a player like Zaza to be center for SPURS as Mavs will sign D Howard
Zaza is a horrible rim protector. He was losing minutes to Mejri against OKC because the lane was like a fast food drive through. Mejri got injured so Zaza got to play more in the last two games.
Getting benched for a rookie says a lot about his inability to protect the rim.
I dont think the center position is as important as a scoring Guard. There's a couple of names this year the spurs might look at..forunier, Gordon.
Any insight on John Leur Rim Protection? Ian was amazing this playoffs. He got the raptors guard to their pants on the drive. Amazinf rim protection. I wonder how much he would command in the market.
He is, but this wouldn't shock me. He strikes me as a Spur and he checks a lot of the boxes they covet/need.
Center is most important, because unless Duncan returns, they don't have a second starting big under contract for next season (only two total, with Diaw being partially guaranteed). Marjanovic is restricted and likely to be re-signed, but that doesn't solve the starting spot.
At least with guard, the four rotation ones are all under contract (plus Simmons, though he's non guaranteed) and like it or not, only Ginobili retiring likely changes that.
Like most quality restricted free agents, Fournier isn't going anywhere. Gordon doesn't strike me as a Spur, but if he could be had on a relatively inexpensive one year deal, I wouldn't be opposed.
Zaza got sonned by Boban during the season finale & fouls too much. Supposedly, Dirk likes playing w/ him so he might re-sign w/ the Mavs.
Leuer is a hustle player not a rim protector but he would be a perfect replacement for Bonner. Ian still struggles guarding/boxing out legit centers so I'm not sure he would be starting material but he would be great in an Ezeli type role.Any insight on John Leur Rim Protection? Ian was amazing this playoffs. He got the raptors guard to their pants on the drive. Amazinf rim protection. I wonder how much he would command in the market.
Mozgov isn't going to re-sign w/ the Cavs & will be coming of a disappointing season so he could be had for a bargain. He's a better rim protector than Boban & a better offensive player than Hibbert so he would be a legit backup center if PATFO can get Pau for the MLE.
The Magic have too many guards & wing players so it wouldn't make sense to pay Fournier over his market value unless they move Oladipo/Hezonja/Payton. They tried low-balling him but he turned down the extension: http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com...-orlando-magicLike most quality restricted free agents, Fournier isn't going anywhere. Gordon doesn't strike me as a Spur, but if he could be had on a relatively inexpensive one year deal, I wouldn't be opposed.
Gordon is too young to take a paycut & injury prone to sign a one year contract. If he signs a 1 yr contract he would most likely want starters minutes so he could cash in the following summer. (Memphis could use him in a starting role or OKC could let Waiters walk & sign him)
He might, but if they get Howard, that's out.Zaza got sonned by Boban during the season finale & fouls too much. Supposedly, Dirk likes playing w/ him so he might re-sign w/ the Mavs.
Leuer is a hustle player not a rim protector but he would be a perfect replacement for Bonner. Ian still struggles guarding/boxing out legit centers so I'm not sure he would be starting material but he would be great in an Ezeli type role.
Mozgov isn't going to re-sign w/ the Cavs & will be coming of a disappointing season so he could be had for a bargain. He's a better rim protector than Boban & a better offensive player than Hibbert so he would be a legit backup center if PATFO can get Pau for the MLE.
The Magic have too many guards & wing players so it wouldn't make sense to pay Fournier over his market value unless they move Oladipo/Hezonja/Payton. They tried low-balling him but he turned down the extension: http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com...-orlando-magic
Gordon is too young to take a paycut & injury prone to sign a one year contract. If he signs a 1 yr contract he would most likely want starters minutes so he could cash in the following summer. (Memphis could use him in a starting role or OKC could let Waiters walk & sign him)
Bertans will more than likely be the Bonner replacement. Leuer is a low volume three-point shooter.
Even in a down season, with the majority of the league flush with cap space, Mozgov still probably gets a deal outside of the Spurs' price range. I'm not even sure they'd want to spend big on a center, when Aldridge is going to probably continue splitting minutes between both big positions.
The only small forward on the Magic is Hezonja, who's unproven. Fournier is the only other rotation player, who can get by playing it on both ends, in a lot of match-ups. He's also one of their three best players and they've got plenty of financial flexibility. They're not letting him go for no reason.
Gordon is definitely going to have to take a pay cut and as such, he'll probably want a 1 year deal to attempt to repair his value. He'll obviously want starters minutes, but he can essentially split minutes with Green.
Playing Fournier over Hezonja is going to be like playing Tobias Harris over Aaron Gordon. They gave Harris a 60 million contract this past summer & traded him midseason for peanuts to free up playing time for Gordon.
Someone like Courtney Lee is suited for that role rather than a guy who is going to demand starter minutes (30+)Gordon is definitely going to have to take a pay cut and as such, he'll probably want a 1 year deal to attempt to repair his value. He'll obviously want starters minutes, but he can essentially split minutes with Green.
They don't have to choose one over the other; at least not now. Hezonja will be on his rookie contract for three more years and in the meantime, they can play a three wing rotation, with Oladipo.
Gordon is not in a position to make demands, at this point and given his lack of durability, interested teams will probably want to limit his minutes.
Based on that logic, they have no freaking starting frontcourt players besides Vuc so why would they trade Tobias Harris when they had Gordon (who isn't a true PF) on a rookie contract. We're talking about the same franchise that had Frye rotting on the bench, signed Ben Gordon just to cut him & refused to play Andrew Nicholson (a free agent I want PATFO to go after).
James Borrego (their interim coach last season) is now on the Spurs staff so I'm pretty sure he has insiders info along w/ Fournier being buddies w/ Diaw/Tony.
Tell that to Chandler Parsons & the Mavs.Gordon is not in a position to make demands, at this point and given his lack of durability, interested teams will probably want to limit his minutes.
I could see Gordon on the Rockets since they need another playmaker & he will definitely get starters minutes. More gave Lin 15 mill under the old CBA so he will definitely get 10+ mill next season. Only someone like Ty Lawson would be willing to sign a 1 yr contract to prove himself.
They had Vucevic, Fournier (really, a shooting guard masquerading as a small forward, in order to get their best lineup on the floor) and wanted to pave the way for Gordon to start.Based on that logic, they have no freaking starting frontcourt players besides Vuc so why would they trade Tobias Harris when they had Gordon (who isn't a true PF) on a rookie contract. We're talking about the same franchise that had Frye rotting on the bench, signed Ben Gordon just to cut him & refused to play Andrew Nicholson (a free agent I want PATFO to go after).
James Borrego (their interim coach last season) is now on the Spurs staff so I'm pretty sure he has insiders info along w/ Fournier being buddies w/ Diaw/Tony.
Tell that to Chandler Parsons & the Mavs.
I could see Gordon on the Rockets since they need another playmaker & he will definitely get starters minutes. More gave Lin 15 mill under the old CBA so he will definitely get 10+ mill next season. Only someone like Ty Lawson would be willing to sign a 1 yr contract to prove himself.
This is different than trading Harris. There's no reason to think they won't re-sign Fournier. Quality RFA's are almost always re-signed, even if they receive an insane offer sheet, for no other reason than asset retention.
Matthews has a much better reputation than Gordon and hasn't had constant injuries (albeit, he had a significant one).
I see Gordon in a similar position to where Mayo was 4 years ago when he signed with the Mavericks. He has to essentially prove himself all over again. Lawson's definitely in that position, too.
If Fournier is a SG masquerading as a SF then why in the would they pay him over market value when they have Oladipo!
Utah let Wes Matthews walk when he was an RFA after making a qualifying offer & I see Fournier as a Wes Matthew tier player.There's no reason to think they won't re-sign Fournier. Quality RFA's are almost always re-signed, even if they receive an insane offer sheet, for no other reason than asset retention.
Mayo:I see Gordon in a similar position to where Mayo was 4 years ago when he signed with the Mavericks. He has to essentially prove himself all over again. Lawson's definitely in that position, too., Gordon is a Monta Ellis tier player who can average 20 ppg on a playoff team. Mayo is a JR Smith tier player.
Asset retention. Plus, unless they're playing a power small forward, they can get away with it and I suspect they're undecided on which of him or Oladipo to keep long term.If Fournier is a SG masquerading as a SF then why in the would they pay him over market value when they have Oladipo!
Utah let Wes Matthews walk when he was an RFA after making a qualifying offer & I see Fournier as a Wes Matthew tier player.
Mayo:
Again, quality RFA's are almost always re-signed.
Gordon is better than Mayo, when healthy, but his constant durability issues knock him down a tier, which is why I suspect he ends up on a one (maybe two, with a player option) year contract, so that if all goes well, he can re-enter the market a year from now and get his true value.
That asset retention worked out for them w/ the Tobias Harris deal.
That's COMMON KNOWLEDGE but this is one of those cases where the RFA could just walk. Orlando hasn't had a great track record when it comes to their front office after the Dwight era.Again, quality RFA's are almost always re-signed.
They traded Harkless for peanuts & gave up RFA O'Quinn in sign-&-trade for cash plus 2nd rd. Nicholson is probably going to walk after rotting on their bench.
Which is why he'll looking for a starting job rather than playing backup.Gordon is better than Mayo, when healthy, but his constant durability issues knock him down a tier, which is why I suspect he ends up on a one (maybe two, with a player option) year contract, so that if all goes well, he can re-enter the market a year from now and get his true value.
One thing doesn't guarantee another, but him and Kanter are perfect examples. Neither team wanted to pay what they got, but ultimately did, if for no other reason than to ensure they didn't get nothing for them.That asset retention worked out for them w/ the Tobias Harris deal.
That's COMMON KNOWLEDGE but this is one of those cases where the RFA could just walk. Orlando hasn't had a great track record when it comes to their front office after the Dwight era.
They traded Harkless for peanuts & gave up RFA O'Quinn in sign-&-trade for cash plus 2nd rd. Nicholson is probably going to walk after rotting on their bench.
Which is why he'll looking for a starting job rather than playing backup.
I don't see it. Harkless, O'Quinn and Nicholson, are not Fournier.
Of course he'll be looking for one, but it doesn't mean he'll get it. Again, he doesn't strike me as a Spur, but he could somewhat have it with the Spurs, in the same sense Ginobili has.
Stuckey, two years ago, is another example of the situation Gordon is now in.
Kanter wasn't a matter of asset retention, they WANTED him to be part of their core after he wrecked the league following the trade. It was a matter of whether or not he was worth the max. Otherwise, the Rockets let Parsons walk b/c they didn't want to pay the max.
Fournier on the other hand is a one way player who isn't that much better offensively than Oladipo & Hezonja is a legit SF who has will most likely be the best out of the 3. They have to move Oladpio to prevent a log jam but Oladipo is a two way player:
They offered Fournier the CoJo contract when Barnes got double, that will tell you how they value him.I don't see it. Harkless, O'Quinn and Nicholson, are not Fournier.
The Knicks will bow at his alter to upgrade their ty backcourt: Sasha VujacicOf course he'll be looking for one, but it doesn't mean he'll get it. Again, he doesn't strike me as a Spur, but he could somewhat have it with the Spurs, in the same sense Ginobili has.
Stuckey is essentially a poorman's Monta EllisStuckey, two years ago, is another example of the situation Gordon is now in.
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