Bernie Sanders

[RandomGuy]

Rape as in douboe digit blowout victory. And thats the best part about Bernie, the fact hes not a racist lying centrist masquerading as a liberal

Bernie is a lot closer to someone being true to themselves than we have seen in a long time.

[RandomGuy]

at least I have the balls to support my candidate Reck. You say you're a neutral D (I hate partyliners) then shill for Hillary and against Bernie every time you can. Balls up and just admit you're in Hillary's camp already and we'll have a lot more respect for you

Ish. I hemmed and hawed right up until I was in the booth. Heart goes one way, brain went the other. Brain won, and I picked Hillary, as having a better general chance. Not even sure that is the case, but "socialist" comes with too much baggage, although I would hope we as a country could move beyong knee-jerk reactions to actual policies.

Hard call.

Easier was the fact that either Democratic candidate is better than anyone left in the GOP clown car. What a joke.

[boutons_deux]

"as having a better general chance."

National polls show Bernie beats all Repugs by a greater %age than Hillary beats them.

0.01%er Hillary epitomizes how the Dems have passively agreed to the Repug/VRWC strategy to screw the 99%, screw America, and conduct continuous war to justify taxpayers' $1T+ per year that isn't spent on Americans.

[z0sa]

Bernie is a lot closer to someone being true to themselves than we have seen in a long time.

Bingo. Supporting any other candidate feels nasty in comparison... no offense.

The funniest (or saddest) part to me of all this doesnt even concern a candidate, but the current POTUS. Obama is miles better than either frontrunner and Id vote for him in a second over either Shillary or Drumpf.

[RandomGuy]

Bingo. Supporting any other candidate feels nasty in comparison... no offense.

The funniest (or saddest) part to me of all this doesnt even concern a candidate, but the current POTUS. Obama is miles better than either frontrunner and Id vote for him in a second over either Shillary or Drumpf.

Agreed.

Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me.

She won't need to be spoon fed Foreign Policy 101, like the n00bs on the GOP side, who could probably have a hard time naming countries on a map.

[boutons_deux]

"Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me."

Please list her initiatives and accomplishments as Secy of State, esp those, if any, that moved the planet away from conflict and war.

[z0sa]

Agreed.

Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me.

She won't need to be spoon fed Foreign Policy 101, like the n00bs on the GOP side, who could probably have a hard time naming countries on a map.

Not that youre unaware of this increasingly cliche bernieism, but it bears repeating...experience does not equal judgment. Her time as secretary of state is marred in controversy over questionable decision making.

Of course one can say such controversies only exist due to partisan politics, particularly the foresight of republicans looking ahead to this year's election, which is fair.

[xrayzebra]

Ah, as Hillary says: "what difference does it make". Bernie gets the votes and Hillary gets the delegates and will get the nomination, it's in the stars. But a vote for one is a vote for the other. They are both left wing Dimm-o-craps who only want the same things. Your soul, your money and total control of your life. Look at Europe and the UK for a look into the future.

[spurraider21]

Agreed.

Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me.

She won't need to be spoon fed Foreign Policy 101, like the n00bs on the GOP side, who could probably have a hard time naming countries on a map.

trump? probably.

[baseline bum]

Ah, as Hillary says: "what difference does it make". Bernie gets the votes and Hillary gets the delegates and will get the nomination, it's in the stars. But a vote for one is a vote for the other. They are both left wing Dimm-o-craps who only want the same things. Your soul, your money and total control of your life. Look at Europe and the UK for a look into the future.

LOL when the far right Fox News crowd equates a center right Clinton to a legitimate socialist Sanders.

[boutons_deux]

Carter Dismisses Clinton's State Department Work

Former President Carter says Hillary Clinton “took very little action” as secretary of State to bring about peace.

Carter, 89, made the remark about the former secretary of State and 2016 Democratic front-runner in a phone interview with Time magazine Wednesday night after he spoke at the Civil Rights Summit in Austin, Texas.

John Kerry has been successful as secretary of State, Carter said, because President Obama has been deeply involved in the foreign policy issues of his second term.

“In this occasion, when Secretary Clinton was Secretary of State, she took very little action to bring about peace. It was only John Kerry’s coming into office that reinitiated all these very important and crucial issues,” he said.

Kerry’s efforts in the Middle East are “notable,” said Carter, who added he has “great admiration” for him.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/203189-carter-on-clinton-she-took-very-little-action

Anybody have any data that Carter is wrong about Hillary?

[Blizzardwizard]

Ah, as Hillary says: "what difference does it make". Bernie gets the votes and Hillary gets the delegates and will get the nomination, it's in the stars. But a vote for one is a vote for the other. They are both left wing Dimm-o-craps who only want the same things. Your soul, your money and total control of your life. Look at Europe and the UK for a look into the future.

If you're insinuating that the UK is some sort of left wing experiment gone wrong, the UK is run by right wing assholes that do more in party fighting than actually finding ways to solve growing austerity and unemployment problems.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

If you're insinuating that the UK is some sort of left wing experiment gone wrong, the UK is run by right wing assholes that do more in party fighting than actually finding ways to solve growing austerity and unemployment problems.

Do you think you have a shot at leaving the EU in the upcoming Brexit vote?

[xrayzebra]

If you're insinuating that the UK is some sort of left wing experiment gone wrong, the UK is run by right wing assholes that do more in party fighting than actually finding ways to solve growing austerity and unemployment problems.

What you call "right wing assholes" are so far left that they walk in circles. Every union you have in the UK is run by Communist.

[Reck]

Carter Dismisses Clinton's State Department Work

Former President Carter says Hillary Clinton “took very little action” as secretary of State to bring about peace.

Carter, 89, made the remark about the former secretary of State and 2016 Democratic front-runner in a phone interview with Time magazine Wednesday night after he spoke at the Civil Rights Summit in Austin, Texas.

John Kerry has been successful as secretary of State, Carter said, because President Obama has been deeply involved in the foreign policy issues of his second term.

“In this occasion, when Secretary Clinton was Secretary of State, she took very little action to bring about peace. It was only John Kerry’s coming into office that reinitiated all these very important and crucial issues,” he said.

Kerry’s efforts in the Middle East are “notable,” said Carter, who added he has “great admiration” for him.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/203189-carter-on-clinton-she-took-very-little-action

Anybody have any data that Carter is wrong about Hillary?

Holy , most ironic article of the day. This was the laziest, less charismatic president this country has ever had. I can't even name you one thing he did successfully.

[boutons_deux]

blind squirrel news

Joe Scarborough is right, and that’s terrifying: The Democratic Primary has been an undemocratic mess

This morning, the MSNBC host railed against a Dem primary stacked in Hillary Clinton's favor. He has a point

When Joe Scarborough is absolutely right about the Democratic Party, that is a very bad sign.

While discussing the Wyoming caucuses on his show “Morning Joe” today, Scarborough expressed dismay at the fact that although Bernie Sanders won by nearly 12 points, Hillary Clinton has nevertheless picked up the most delegates (11 to 7). “Why does the Democratic Party even have voting booths?” Scarborough exclaimed in barely concealed outrage. “This system is so rigged!”

It’s hard to argue with the man’s logic. Sanders has won eight of the last nine primaries, which in a normal election year would be considered a sign of unstoppable momentum. In national polls, he is statistically neck-and-neck with Clinton, and he has whipped up unprecedented enthusiasm among young voters.

All of this is rendered more impressive when you consider that the party establishment has attempted to stave him off from the get-go, with the debatesthemselves being scheduled so as to place him (and all other challengers to Clinton, for that matter) at a distinct disadvantage, and with only a handful of elected Democrats even endorsing his campaign.

This brings us to the reason for the discrepancy between Sanders’ impressive performance among voters and his massive disadvantage among party delegates – namely, the fact that superdelegates are overwhelmingly opposed to him.


http://www.salon.com/2016/04/11/joe_...mocratic_mess/

Dems disenfranchise primary/caucus Dems as much as Repugs disenfranchises blacks, brown, students, poor, disabled, old/sick.

[baseline bum]

^ Shows pretty clearly the democrats aren't a liberal party

[Reck]

The more puzzling.

Bernie is seemingly pushing for a contested convention. In the case that happens, does he really think he will convince superdelegates to go to him when he's not offering anything worth their time.

Just an odd thing for him to want.

[DMX7]

^ Shows pretty clearly the democrats aren't a liberal party

It's been the "moderate" party for a while now... with Bill Clinton being the embodiment of that.

However, it just seems like the left-wing party by contrast to how far right the Republicans have gone...

[DMX7]

The more puzzling.

Bernie is seemingly pushing for a contested convention. In the case that happens, does he really think he will convince superdelegates to go to him when he's not offering anything worth their time.

Just an odd thing for him to want.

It's his only hope at this point... and of course he knows it's a long shot.

[boutons_deux]

It's his only hope at this point... and of course he knows it's a long shot.

I don't blame him at all. The superdelegates committed to Hillary probably won't switch to Bernie if he wins more primaries and caucuses.

Like most Americans, Bernie is victim of a rigged game.

[DMX7]

If Trump didn't get the republican nomination and went independent to split the republican vote, that would be the perfect time for Bernie to do the same (which he is not afraid to do)... and for the first time in modern U.S. general election history, we he would have real choices for POTUS.

Sadly, I think it's too late to get on the ballots as an independent for both or at least Trump.

[baseline bum]

If Trump didn't get the republican nomination and went independent to split the republican vote, that would be the perfect time for Bernie to do the same (which he is not afraid to do)... and for the first time in modern U.S. general election history, we he would have real choices for POTUS.

Sadly, I think it's too late to get on the ballots as an independent for both or at least Trump.

That's the most ing re ed thing I have ever heard. Then no one would get 270 electoral votes and the teabagger house would choose Cruz to be president. A far right movement that can't win national elections would have successfully hijacked the government in your ridiculous scenario.

[Chinook]

That's the most ing re ed thing I have ever heard. Then no one would get 270 electoral votes and the teabagger house would choose Cruz to be president. A far right movement that can't win national elections would have successfully hijacked the government in your ridiculous scenario.

We've talked about this before. The actual way the president gets picked is more complicated. One, because it would be the incoming house, not the current one. Two, it would be one vote per state, with the representatives having to decide collectively for their state's single vote. I actually have no idea who would win in such a case.

EDIT: Oh, lord, it's not close. Republicans would win 30-13 with seven swing states, three of whom are currently Republican. It would take some Compromise of 1872 stuff for the Democrates to win. Only good news is that it would probably end the Electoral College once and for all.

[baseline bum]

We've talked about this before. The actual way the president gets picked is more complicated. One, because it would be the incoming house, not the current one. Two, it would be one vote per state, with the representatives having to decide collectively for their state's single vote. I actually have no idea who would win in such a case.

Cruz would, there is no way the house would turn blue and it's full of teabaggers from safe districts.