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    That misses the point of why I brought it up. The issue with how PC has affected the clock-boy case isn't that it's not letting people justify discrimination. It's that it's masking the complex system of responsibility and blame in this case. Even if you don't believe the parts about the teachers telling him to put away his clock repeatedly and him bringing it anyway when it wasn't even part of a school project, there is simply no excuse for a Muslim kid to bring something to school that he knows looks su ious. And there's no excuse for a black man to resist arrest giving the current political climate. It's not about thinking the police are justified in these cases; it's about being realistic.

    Too many people are obsessed with what should be and not focused enough on what is. We live under the latter standard, and we have to keep that in mind as we try to move to the former.
    Imo, that a still and backwater way tmof thinking. That's tge reason why there was on outcry, why we have silly movements like BLM. It's largely because we have "accepeted" as a black man or a muzzie yiu should be acting in a certain way to avoid su ioin. That in itself is inherently discriminatory.

    Was it stupid on his part..sure. Is it stupid on a black mand part to act like a white man in front of a police officer? Sure. But that's an issue that needs addresing. People are pissed because they know how that's wrong and ed up that is.

    What's right is to move forward and destroy these kind of mindsets

    They didnt repeadtly tell him to do something specific about the clock. They just called the cops on him. Thats totally different. The repeated call was after the act of calling the cops.

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    Unless individuals are willing to change the these racially discriminatory standard, were always going tk be stuck with a racially discriminative standard.

    So i find the outcries and even a majorly flawed movement like BLM as a step towards the right direction.

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    Anyone with a brain of a pea would have known that putting the guts of a clock in case, bringing it to school, and setting off the alarm in class was a bad idea.
    Especially if you're Muslim amirite

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    The kid did nothing wrong but was arrested and left in handcuffs in front of the school.

    If you're not going to blame prejudice, then what are you going to blame?
    He was detained, as far as I know, and not arrested. You don't have to do anything wrong to be detained, you just have to appear, in the personal & discretionary judgement of the overseeing cop(s) to be su ious. In order to legitimately accuse the cop(s) here of prejudice, you'd have to prove he/she/they wouldn't have followed the same protocol all things being equal if it was a non-ME kid bringing to school what the naked eye tells me looks like a bomb, or at least a bomb prop out of a movie. Otherwise your claim is utter bull . In light of all the school massacres, it's crazy to me how you can just gloss over the fact that he made & brought to school what many would associate with a bomb & and the repercussions that might have in this day and age.

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    there is simply no excuse for a Muslim kid to bring something to school that he knows looks su ious.
    At least you're forthright in being a bigoted asshole

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    He was detained, as far as I know, and not arrested.
    He was arrested.

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    He was arrested.
    Well, then that changes a lot. Do you have a link?

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    ... if it was a non-ME kid bringing to school what the naked eye tells me looks like a bomb, or at least a bomb prop out of a movie. Otherwise your claim is utter bull .
    Yeah I'm not sure he's gonna win his civil suit if it goes to trial. The district may want to settle any way and be done with it.

    But cmon, we all know these people in Irving Texas are bible beating Islamophobes

    It was a clock.

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    Well, then that changes a lot. Do you have a link?
    Really? It's a pretty easy Google, but Ok, I'll be courteous this one time. Give me two seconds.

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    "CNN)When Ahmed Mohamed went to his high school in Irving, Texas, Monday, he was so excited. A teenager with dreams of becoming an engineer, he wanted to show his teacher the digital clock he'd made from a pencil case.

    The 14-year-old's day ended not with praise, but punishment, after the school called police and he was arrested...."


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/tex...im-clock-bomb/

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    I also think tha putting kids in situations where they have to know..oh Ok i am black, i cant br wearing black hoodie situations or a Muzzie I cant be bringing a clock to school is incredibly racist and discriminatory.

    The fact that someone like chinook acknwoledges this as a standard speaks volume of the current american society. Im actually legit interested to see how the 10 years old of today wouls grow up to be with these "standards"

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    It absolutely is an irrelevant question. I'm not accusing the teachers of any illegal activity. Nobody is.

    You don't have to do something illegal to get arrested. If that were the case, there'd be no need for trials.
    So you're OK with people getting arrested for clock making and carrying.

    That's ridiculous.


    Yeah, because the kid was being an asshole by repeatedly plugging in his experiment despite repeated requests to stop doing it by teachers. But by all means, chalk it up to discrimination and prove my point.
    Arrest him!

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    "CNN)When Ahmed Mohamed went to his high school in Irving, Texas, Monday, he was so excited. A teenager with dreams of becoming an engineer, he wanted to show his teacher the digital clock he'd made from a pencil case.

    The 14-year-old's day ended not with praise, but punishment, after the school called police and he was arrested...."


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/tex...im-clock-bomb/


    Meh, he didn't expect any teachers to be impressed with his little stunt. Teachers are impressed by a student actually making something -- not tearing something up and throwing it in a box.

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    Too many people are dead because of Islam/Muslims, and it's going to get worst.

    What more is there to say?

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    Too many people are dead because of Islam/Muslims, and it's going to get worst.

    What more is there to say?
    Lots of nationalists, religious groups, atheists, etc have killed millions of people.

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    Meh, he didn't expect any teachers to be impressed with his little stunt. Teachers are impressed by a student actually making something -- not tearing something up and throwing it in a box.

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    At least you're forthright in being a bigoted asshole
    Can always count on you to come in and pseudo-intellectual up the joint.

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    I also think tha putting kids in situations where they have to know..oh Ok i am black, i cant br wearing black hoodie situations or a Muzzie I cant be bringing a clock to school is incredibly racist and discriminatory.
    None of that matters when a kid gets killed because he resisted arrest. His parents could have saved him had they taught him how to act to protect themselves, but no. They were too busy focusing on ideals. Guess what? Most bad things happen because the world isn't fair. A woman gets killed walking down the street alone in the dark. Should she have to be concerned someone is going to murder her? No. Should she have taken precautions anyway? Yes.

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    i agree with apa's point that it's inherently discriminatory (and wrong) for certain people to have to follow a different set of "rules" and "act certain ways" to avoid su ion just because they are of a certain people... and we do need to continue to push for the elimination of that.

    HOWEVER, in the meantime, that doesn't excuse people from being blind/numb to the situation. If you KNOW that the device looks su ious and you have a good idea of what the response will be, you're a moron for bringing it in and acting the way you do, even if it's entirely legal. it's an asshole move. its the same bull with those open carry gots who walk up and down the street with guns-a-blazin just HOPING some cop comes up to them and questions them, just so they can yammer on about their rights, citing supreme court cases that they full and well know the cops aren't familiar with

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    None of that matters when a kid gets killed because he resisted arrest. His parents could have saved him had they taught him how to act to protect themselves, but no. They were too busy focusing on ideals. Guess what? Most bad things happen because the world isn't fair. A woman gets killed walking down the street alone in the dark. Should she have to be concerned someone is going to murder her? No. Should she have taken precautions anyway? Yes.
    Thats not what I am trying to argue for. I'm stating argunebts why i supported the outcry and why i support blm even though blm is flawed.

    We're a smart species that deserve more than just conforming to silly standards. As stupid as these actions are, I do hope tge outcrys and movement and the PCs help eliminate such discriminatory standards.

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    Meh, he didn't expect any teachers to be impressed with his little stunt
    Just part of the genius plan to destroy the school in civil court. .....Muslims are diabolical like that

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    i agree with apa's point that it's inherently discriminatory (and wrong) for certain people to have to follow a different set of "rules" and "act certain ways" to avoid su ion just because they are of a certain people... and we do need to continue to push for the elimination of that.

    HOWEVER, in the meantime, that doesn't excuse people from being blind/numb to the situation. If you KNOW that the device looks su ious and you have a good idea of what the response will be, you're a moron for bringing it in and acting the way you do, even if it's entirely legal. it's an asshole move. its the same bull with those open carry gots who walk up and down the street with guns-a-blazin just HOPING some cop comes up to them and questions them, just so they can yammer on about their rights, citing supreme court cases that they full and well know the cops aren't familiar with
    It's more moronic for the cops to have arrested him.

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    i agree with apa's point that it's inherently discriminatory (and wrong) for certain people to have to follow a different set of "rules" and "act certain ways" to avoid su ion just because they are of a certain people... and we do need to continue to push for the elimination of that.

    HOWEVER, in the meantime, that doesn't excuse people from being blind/numb to the situation. If you KNOW that the device looks su ious and you have a good idea of what the response will be, you're a moron for bringing it in and acting the way you do, even if it's entirely legal. it's an asshole move. its the same bull with those open carry gots who walk up and down the street with guns-a-blazin just HOPING some cop comes up to them and questions them, just so they can yammer on about their rights, citing supreme court cases that they full and well know the cops aren't familiar with
    I actually hope more people do "stupid" things as these usually resut in reactions that can have a lon term positive effect on our society.

    I think most of us are decent human beings, but reactions generally serve as a good way to educate ignorant individulas.

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    i agree with apa's point that it's inherently discriminatory (and wrong) for certain people to have to follow a different set of "rules" and "act certain ways" to avoid su ion just because they are of a certain people... and we do need to continue to push for the elimination of that.

    HOWEVER, in the meantime, that doesn't excuse people from being blind/numb to the situation. If you KNOW that the device looks su ious and you have a good idea of what the response will be, you're a moron for bringing it in and acting the way you do, even if it's entirely legal. it's an asshole move. its the same bull with those open carry gots who walk up and down the street with guns-a-blazin just HOPING some cop comes up to them and questions them, just so they can yammer on about their rights, citing supreme court cases that they full and well know the cops aren't familiar with
    More importantly, not being allowed to have an honest conversation lets people game the system. In the very least, clock boy was stupid. If that other stuff was true about how he handled it during the incident and how his immediate family has a history of goading people into these types of reactions, then it needs to be explored. That's the kind of that sets people back and "justifies" a whole lot of bigotry. We did hear some reports that corroborate these allegations, but we didn't hear much from the mainstream media since it would have been met with a backlash to suggest that the kid was anything other than a budding genius oppressed by racist Texans.

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    God, I don't miss living in America, tbh

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