PC and Muslim Agenda

[apalisoc_9]

God, I don't miss living in America, tbh

I dont doubt that canada would be the same a few years from now..if you ever been to country towns in sask, alberta, manitoba and NS..its no worse than florida or texas.

Im out here once that happens. Probably move to south America.

[HarlemHeat37]

I dont doubt that canada would be the same a few years from now..if you ever been to country towns in sask, alberta, manitoba and NS..its no worse than florida or texas.

Im out here once that happens. Probably move to south America.

I've never been to any of those places, nor would I ever go, tbh(Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and Vancouver is my limit)..I would imagine it's probably similar to the American south, in terms of mentality towards non-Whites..

Everywhere I've ever lived has been multicultural..you still get treated questionably in certain situations if you're Black(I'm used to it by now, though), but Canada is nowhere near as bad as America, from my experience(and I lived in NY, which is much more tolerant than most other American states)..

[rmt]

NOW, we get to the issue here. Those "some people" you refer to can speak freely, but the fact that either there's no audience or that the audience disagree with the message is what really bothers you. Again, this is YOUR problem.

There's nothing stopping anybody from being xenophobes, Islamophobic, racists, make gross generalizations... nothing. Whether there's an audience for that is a completely different story.

Generally speaking, we've largely moved on from those things culturally as a society for a while now, for a number of reasons (among them, logically speaking, there's a lot to lose for taking those positions, whereas there's nothing to lose by not adopting them).

In the end, you either adapt to the times we're living, or you'll probably die a bitter man.

Maybe we haven't quite moved on:

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/30/...an-poll-shows/

Note that this is for ALL Americans and the independents are even higher - imagine the GOP.

[spurraider21]

God, I don't miss living in America, tbh

america doesn't miss you, either

[spurraider21]

More importantly, not being allowed to have an honest conversation lets people game the system. In the very least, clock boy was stupid. If that other stuff was true about how he handled it during the incident and how his immediate family has a history of goading people into these types of reactions, then it needs to be explored. That's the kind of that sets people back and "justifies" a whole lot of bigotry. We did hear some reports that corroborate these allegations, but we didn't hear much from the mainstream media since it would have been met with a backlash to suggest that the kid was anything other than a budding genius oppressed by racist Texans.

sure, but if clock boy was white, would he have been arrested? there has to be an honest conversation about that, too

[clambake]

muslims are tight in the u.s. the idea that the non-violent muslims don't know who the bad ones are....thats nonsense.

[apalisoc_9]

I've never been to any of those places, nor would I ever go, tbh(Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and Vancouver is my limit)..I would imagine it's probably similar to the American south, in terms of mentality towards non-Whites..

Everywhere I've ever lived has been multicultural..you still get treated questionably in certain situations if you're Black(I'm used to it by now, though), but Canada is nowhere near as bad as America, from my experience(and I lived in NY, which is much more tolerant than most other American states)..

Poor white trash in canada are still siginicantly more than other multicuural areas. It only takes a majority of their vote to overpower any "diversity" has to offer...the difference is that they are not as politically involved as their brothers in the south. The last PM was trump lite racist and he got tons of support from these people.

[Chinook]

sure, but if clock boy was white, would he have been arrested? there has to be an honest conversation about that, too

And if Michael Brown were white, would he still be alive today? Nobody has to wonder if we should ask those questions. But those aren't the only questions an intellectually virtuous society should investigate. Being PC is rarely completely wrong. Its issue is that it often lets people ignore the other, potentially bigger issues, not that it makes no sense to try to protect minorities.

[spurraider21]

And if Michael Brown were white, would he still be alive today? Nobody is wondering if we should ask those questions. But those aren't the questions an intellectually virtuous society should investigate. Being PC is rarely completely wrong. It's issue is that it often lets people ignore the other, potentially bigger issues, not that it makes no sense to try to protect minorities.

yes being "overly PC" gets us to overlook those questions, but the whole "pc is stupid and is ruining the country" nonsense lets people overlook the more obvious and pressing questions. the specific case of "was ahmed a stupid jackass" isn't nearly as relevant as the bigger picture of prejudice. both conversations need to be had, and people use PC or anti-PC to overlook one or the other

[SpursforSix]

sure, but if clock boy was white, would he have been arrested? there has to be an honest conversation about that, too

why would a white boy build a Muslim clock bomb?

[DarrinS]

sure, but if clock boy was white, would he have been arrested? there has to be an honest conversation about that, too

http://www.statesville.com/news/sout....html?mode=jqm

[Chinook]

yes being "overly PC" gets us to overlook those questions, but the whole "pc is stupid and is ruining the country" nonsense lets people overlook the more obvious and pressing questions. the specific case of "was ahmed a stupid jackass" isn't nearly as relevant as the bigger picture of prejudice. both conversations need to be had, and people use PC or anti-PC to overlook one or the other

The difference is that one is already being had while the other isn't. And yes, if clock boy did that on purpose, it's absolutely a bigger issue than the general trends of prejudice. The "victims" of discrimination actively seeking it for money or controversy just create more resentment and erodes support.

[spurraider21]

http://www.statesville.com/news/sout....html?mode=jqm

do you not recognize the difference between what they did and what ahmed did? seriously?

[apalisoc_9]

The bigger and more obvious isdue here is discrimination so making argumebts that minorities seek out these "attention" is reaching...incredibly presumptious too.

[spurraider21]

The difference is that one is already being had while the other isn't. And yes, if clock boy did that on purpose, it's absolutely a bigger issue than the general trends of prejudice. The "victims" of discrimination actively seeking it for money or controversy just creates more resentment and erodes support.

agreed

[DarrinS]

do you not recognize the difference between what they did and what ahmed did? seriously?

Sure I do.

Clock girls: They put theirs in lockers and padlocked them. Result --> arrested on felony charge

Clock boy: “I closed [the ‘clock’] with a cable, I didn’t want to lock it to make it seem like a threat … so it won’t look that much su ious." Result --> arrest, charges dropped, celebrity

[spurraider21]

Sure I do.

Clock girls: They put theirs in lockers and padlocked them. Result --> arrested on felony charge

Clock boy: “I closed [the ‘clock’] with a cable, I didn’t want to lock it to make it seem like a threat … so it won’t look that much su ious." Result --> arrest, charges dropped, celebrity

"clock girls"... they actually intended to make people think there were bombs. the bomb sniffing dog was called, school evacuated, etc

[Pelicans78]

I've never been to any of those places, nor would I ever go, tbh(Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and Vancouver is my limit)..I would imagine it's probably similar to the American south, in terms of mentality towards non-Whites..

Everywhere I've ever lived has been multicultural..you still get treated questionably in certain situations if you're Black(I'm used to it by now, though), but Canada is nowhere near as bad as America, from my experience(and I lived in NY, which is much more tolerant than most other American states)..

I lived in the South my whole life and I'm non-white and I haven't experienced any discrimination but dealt with way more assholes living in Queens and working in Brooklyn for a year from all kinds of ethnicities. Also witnessed segregated areas based on ethnicity in New York City which isn't common in suburban southern cities.

[Pelicans78]

muslims are tight in the u.s. the idea that the non-violent muslims don't know who the bad ones are....thats nonsense.

Bull . Muslims aren't as segregated in the U.S. as they are in other countries. Big cities have larger communities, but the majority of Muslims like other groups are spread out the entire country. Just another blanket statement by an inferior intelligence.

[DarrinS]

"clock girls"... they actually intended to make people think there were bombs. the bomb sniffing dog was called, school evacuated, etc

He was smarter about it, but he wasn't trying to make anyone think he invented a clock.

[Chinook]

I lived in the South my whole life and I'm non-white and I haven't experienced any discrimination but dealt with way more assholes living in Queens and working in Brooklyn for a year from all kinds of ethnicities. Also witnessed segregated areas based on ethnicity in New York City which isn't common in suburban southern cities.

Yeah, the northern states have a more subtle but also more deeply ingrained system of prejudice. When I was in high school, there really weren't any racial or ethnic divisions. But as soon as I got to Philly, I heard of ton of "stick with your own kind" talk. I think that the scrutiny that the South had to undergo and is still undergoing has led to better integration, whereas the North never had to have an intervention and thusly is slower to evolve its social norms.

[spurraider21]

He was smarter about it, but he wasn't trying to make anyone think he invented a clock.

despite the fact that he kept saying the words "it's a clock"

unless ur just harping on the "invent" part of that, which yeah, he didnt invent anything

[mingus]

"CNN)When Ahmed Mohamed went to his high school in Irving, Texas, Monday, he was so excited. A teenager with dreams of becoming an engineer, he wanted to show his teacher the digital clock he'd made from a pencil case.

The 14-year-old's day ended not with praise, but punishment, after the school called police and he was arrested...."


http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/tex...im-clock-bomb/

Detainment is one thing, arrest is another. In most all cases it's the difference between reasonable su ion & probable cause. I've explained, there was a reasonable su ion: kid brings bomb-looking device to school. Once those su ions were laid to rest he should've been allowed to leave. Where it gets kind of tricky is there are a number of different steps (questioning of suspect, students, teachers, friends, family, bomb-sniffing dogs, school evac.) that authorities could've of taken, and taken reasonably, to eliminate him as a suspect, all/some of which could very plausibly take up a lot of time. I believe that after a certain period of time of being detained, you then become under arrested by formality and not because you're any more of a suspect. If he was arrested for the former, there's validity in his arrest.

Now as for exactly why he was arrested, I don't pretend to know. I don't at all deny Islamaphobia exists, or that it maybe been present here. It may well have. And/or it may well have been an excessive response based in paranoia from the relative high frequency of school massacres. Maybe it was just because of the long process of evidence gathering & clue searching. I don't know.

What I do know is it's not a good idea to bring to school anything that looks like a weapon.

[clambake]

Bull . Muslims aren't as segregated in the U.S. as they are in other countries. Big cities have larger communities, but the majority of Muslims like other groups are spread out the entire country. Just another blanket statement by an inferior intelligence.

i know they're not as segregated. yes, big cities have larger communities.


they know. there is no way they don't.

[Pelicans78]

i know they're not as segregated. yes, big cities have larger communities.


they know. there is no way they don't.

Are you saying that every non-violent Muslim in this country knows a violent Muslim?