Greenland Ice Sheet's "Extreme Melt Event" Shatters Temperature Records

**pgardn** · 04-16-2016

Yes, the planet is warming, and yes, mankind contributes to that warming.

You claim I read what I want, but I submit to you it is yourself and others who do that.

I read and understand these sciences very, very well. I see how selective studies and papers are at ignoring relevant variables because they are inconvenient. The entire politics built around global warming should be what is alarming. they over hype CO2, because it is something that can be taxed for wealth redistribution, and also used to make regulations to control the populous. Politicians love such power.

CO2 is in fact a greenhouse gas, but models have severely failed on the claimed warming it should bring.

Soot is seldom spoken of, and is the greatest variable caused by human activity.

Land use is also seldom spoke of, but has a dramatic effect, especially in the areas where most cimate stations are situated. much of what they see in change is the change in land use, and can not be used to estimate global temperature changes.

It is the alarmists side that deflects and refuses to speak of these other variables in any detail. Solar is a rather large natural variable, but downplayed to a laughable degree to anyone who understands such dynamics. That's another lengthy subject by itself, but I will say that shortwave is nearly 100% absorbed as heat in our oceans and takes several decades to equalize with the atmosphere, whereas longwave is only absorbed in the top few microns of water, so it is readily released fast, causing almost no warming to the water.

As for correlating any two near linear trends... Any idea how laughable that is to claim causation?

Actually here is the chronological phases of denial:

1. There is no warmning, it may even be getting colder.
2. There might be warming, but the role of humans is insignificant
3. There is warming. The role of humans insignificant.
4. There is warming. The role of humans might be significant.
5. There is warming. The role of humans might be significant. But weigh this against economic factors.
6. Think about the economy. There are other contributing factors.

This is really embarrassing I would think.

And many conservatives are still stuck on phase 1.

Aside: There are others that would do a better job on expanding the chronology of denial. Please do. Oh, throw in the "bunch of tree hungers" with gusto.

**Wild Cobra** · 04-16-2016

Originally Posted by pgardn

Actually here is the chronological phases of denial:

1. There is no warmning, it may even be getting colder.
2. There might be warming, but the role of humans is insignificant
3. There is warming. The role of humans insignificant.
4. There is warming. The role of humans might be significant.
5. There is warming. The role of humans might be significant. But weigh this against economic factors.
6. Think about the economy. There are other contributing factors.

This is really embarrassing I would think.

And many conservatives are still stuck on phase 1.

Aside: There are others that would do a better job on expanding the chronology of denial. Please do. Oh, throw in the "bunch of tree hungers" with gusto.

It should be embarrassing for you to think there is a one-size-fits-all, and also to deny that maybe my position is the correct one.

**Wild Cobra** · 04-17-2016

There is a recent Nature Geoscience (4/4/16) that I just saw looking for something else. Today is actually the first time I went to the home page for a while. The last article I found using keyword searches. Being Sunday, I have a little more time.

Link: Melting at the base of the Greenland ice sheet explained by Iceland hotspot history