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    Why would something I said would be positive make me uncomfortable? I don't have kids and ties are ties. The outcome would be hilarious. Gay men offended, mothers offended for their children, Muslim men offended and not able to control themselves even more etc. The left will have pit its special snowflake groups against each other. Personally, I look forward to it.
    Not sure why gay men would be offended.

    Breast feeding moms pop a all the time in public.

    I could see uptight religious nuts being publicly outraged but secretly excited

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    Do you really think that private businesses are going to completely remodel their bathrooms and make them super nice and fancy for .3% of the population?
    Who said it was to accommodate that percent of the population? And even if that was the case, they won't always be that small.

    Also, yes I do think they will do that.
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    it's just a weird double standard that we have to accommodate trans people who feel weirded out, but non trans people who feel weirded are expected to "deal with it" or "get used to it"
    It's not a double standard. If you don't want to use a bathroom with a transgender, you can wait. If they don't want to use the bathroom with your sex, they have to break the law or go home.

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    Yeah, saying it's subjective is implying choice, but ok, whatever.
    Will leave it there until you're ready to answer and move to the next point.
    lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

    what exactly do you want me to answer? no, its not a choice. i've been quite clear about that this entire time, and if that's really what you needed clarification on, then i question your mental capacity

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    It's not a double standard. If you don't want to use a bathroom with a transgender, you can wait. If they don't want to use the bathroom with your sex, they have to break the law or go home.
    this operates under the assumption that they were in there first

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    lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

    what exactly do you want me to answer? no, its not a choice. i've been quite clear about that this entire time, and if that's really what you needed clarification on, then i question your mental capacity
    Subjective but not voluntary:



    And all qualia while we're at it.

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    I think all the arguments against gender-neutral bathrooms are silly and rely on poor logic and scare tactics. But again, there's no point in us even having genders if people and flow between them with just a thought. Something has to give.

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    der Kraut Hammer admits the Repug bathroom obsessed perversity is yet another bogus, fabricated "problem"

    Charles Krauthammer unloads on Fox News colleagues for believing NC transgender bathroom law is a real issue

    "Do we really have an epidemic of transgenders being evil in bathrooms across the country?" he asked

    “I haven’t heard of a single case.”

    If it has happened at all, Krauthammer continued, it is still a “very small problem at the edges of other problems having to do with gender iden y that’s become national precisely because Republicans in North Carolina decided it was a problem.”


    “It is not a major national problem, and it should have been left that way,” he concluded.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/04/22/watc..._a_real_issue/

    The bull masquerade is "gotta protect the women and girls" but if daddy or brother or cousin or anybody rapes the daughter, sister, cousin, the girl MUST not have an abortion and MUST carry the bas to term. God loves rape babies.






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    lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

    what exactly do you want me to answer? no, its not a choice. i've been quite clear about that this entire time, and if that's really what you needed clarification on, then i question your mental capacity
    Here you called it a subjective iden y

    it's just a weird double standard that we have to accommodate trans people who feel weirded out, but non trans people who feel weirded are expected to "deal with it" or "get used to it"

    i think its also a bit misguided to call this some big civil rights issue, as this has to do with somebody's subjective iden y and not an objective trait like race, sex, etc
    You separated it out from "objective" traits.

    If you think you were clear on it not being a choice when you said "subjective iden y", then lol.

    If it's not a choice, then how is it not a civil rights issue on a moral level?

    I think it's just a matter of time before the Civil Rights Act is amended to include gays and trans

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    lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

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    You separated it out from "objective" traits.

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    Interactive map -- trannies per 100k pop

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    LOL #BoycottTarget.

    I didn't realize the Target restroom was such an essential part of the Target shopping experience. Seems like people should be more concerned about catching ebola in there than getting molested.

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    LOL #BoycottTarget.

    I didn't realize the Target restroom was such an essential part of the Target shopping experience. Seems like people should be more concerned about catching ebola in there than getting molested.
    Target survived the boycott after they banned open carry from their stores. These are the exact same people boycotting.....again

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    Target survived the boycott after they banned open carry from their stores. These are the exact same people boycotting.....again
    Would you be OK with gender neutral bathrooms only?

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    You separated it out from "objective" traits.
    of course i did. because it's subjective.

    that doesn't make it any less of a choice. i'm not sure if you are being purposely dense or not. you trying to equivocate subjectivity with choice is your problem, not mine.

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    Would you be OK with gender neutral bathrooms only?
    Absolutely. I've traveled in Europe and Asia enough to know that most places only have gender neutral bathrooms. They are common in the finest marble and chrome hotels in Paris and Beijing. The only difference is there are no open urinals, just private stalls. I never saw anything in one but people washing their hands or fixing their hair. Which, coincidentally, is all I've ever seen in any women's only bathroom here; not one genital--ever!

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    Absolutely. I've traveled in Europe and Asia enough to know that most places only have gender neutral bathrooms. They are common in the finest marble and chrome hotels in Paris and Beijing. The only difference is there are no open urinals, just private stalls. I never saw anything in one but people washing their hands or fixing their hair. Which, coincidentally, is all I've ever seen in any women's only bathroom here; not one genital--ever!
    So you'd be OK letting a 12 year old girl go use the restroom at a park or sporting event at the same time as a convicted sex offender?

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    of course i did. because it's subjective.

    that doesn't make it any less of a choice. i'm not sure if you are being purposely dense or not. you trying to equivocate subjectivity with choice is your problem, not mine.
    What does "subjective iden y" mean compared to "objective trait"

    Subjective absolutely implies personal opinion vs objective fact. You even posted the definition. It's right there.

    But fine you can "win". I want to move on since we agree that it's not a choice.

    If it's not a choice for some people, then why wouldn't it be a civil rights issue, similar to sex and race?
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    What does "subjective iden y" mean compared to "objective trait"

    Subjective absolutely implies personal opinion vs objective fact. You even posted the definition. It's right there.
    you're right. subjective means not objective. bravo.

    nowhere have i implied that it's a matter of choice

    But fine you can "win". I want to move on since we agree that it's not a choice.
    and we always have, i don't know why you said "oh so you're in the choice camp." it was pretty out of nowhere

    If it's not a choice for some people, then why wouldn't it be a civil rights issue, similar to sex and race?
    civil rights are a lot more complex than choice vs non-choice. eye color isn't a choice but people with blue eyes aren't a protected group

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    civil rights are a lot more complex than choice vs non-choice. eye color isn't a choice but people with blue eyes aren't a protected group
    False, that would be a protected group.

    Discrimination against eye color would be no different than skin color.

    It's not that complex.

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    False, that would be a protected group.

    Discrimination against eye color would be no different than skin color.

    It's not that complex.
    are they currently a protected group? i hadn't checked the cons ution or civil rights acts amendments lately

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    are they currently a protected group? i hadn't checked the cons ution or civil rights acts amendments lately
    Color is a protected group. Always has been.

    There's also the GINA of 2008

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    Color is a protected group. Always has been.

    There's also the GINA of 2008
    eye color is a protected group?

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