Pistons: :lol athletic bigs

[ambchang]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15...ve-athleticism

Some big who has a 30" vertical is such a super rare thing, but then .....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=371538

Russell and Wilt with 39" verticals back in the day.

Today's NBA

[lefty]

today's NBA

[apalisoc_9]

You on your pants again but your home care worker isnt available? Should just live in a home for the elderly.

[Raven]

it's a well known fact that wilt and russell would sleep their way to les if they were playing today.

[ambchang]

You on your pants again but your home care worker isnt available? Should just live in a home for the elderly.

I have nothing to add but I still want to say something
HarlemHeat, who is actually me, please come in and back me up
athletic ability is so much better in today's game, but then some kind of physical specimen like Drummond can't even be considered a top 10 player in the league despite his enormous physical advantage over everyone else

Andre Drummond some kind of physical wonder, but can't even hit 40% of his FTs
No post moves, actually, no moves at all on offense
Athleticism with no skills. Haven't we seen this before? Stromile Swift, William Bedford, Benoit Benjamin, and a long list of busts along the way

[apalisoc_9]

I have nothing to add but I still want to say something
HarlemHeat, who is actually me, please come in and back me up
athletic ability is so much better in today's game, but then some kind of physical specimen like Drummond can't even be considered a top 10 player in the league despite his enormous physical advantage over everyone else

Andre Drummond some kind of physical wonder, but can't even hit 40% of his FTs
No post moves, actually, no moves at all on offense
Athleticism with no skills. Haven't we seen this before? Stromile Swift, William Bedford, Benoit Benjamin, and a long list of busts along the way

Ok grandpa. I know you enjoyed the days of watching white anerican basketball, but there is no reason to be this agitated. You can get a stroke.

[lefty]

I have nothing to add but I still want to say something
HarlemHeat, who is actually me, please come in and back me up
athletic ability is so much better in today's game, but then some kind of physical specimen like Drummond can't even be considered a top 10 player in the league despite his enormous physical advantage over everyone else

Andre Drummond some kind of physical wonder, but can't even hit 40% of his FTs
No post moves, actually, no moves at all on offense
Athleticism with no skills. Haven't we seen this before? Stromile Swift, William Bedford, Benoit Benjamin, and a long list of busts along the way

40%?


But better fundamentals
Better nutrition
Eastern bloc methods
Advanced stats
Etc etc



WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THOSE THINGS

[313]

it's a well known fact that wilt and russell would sleep their way to les if they were playing today.

[KL2]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15...ve-athleticism

Some big who has a 30" vertical is such a super rare thing, but then .....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=371538

Russell and Wilt with 39" verticals back in the day.

Today's NBA

Vince Carter still has a 38" vertical at 38, judging athleticism solely on vertical doesn't know how to judge athleticism .

Russel & Wilt MAYBE had a 39" vertical when they were rookies, and they weren't 280lb rookies like Drummond, not even close. I wouldn't be surprised if they lied though, you could get away with all sorts of bull back then like lying about your height, people used to believe Sampson was 7'4 & Olajuwon 7'0

[KL2]

I have nothing to add but I still want to say something
HarlemHeat, who is actually me, please come in and back me up
athletic ability is so much better in today's game, but then some kind of physical specimen like Drummond can't even be considered a top 10 player in the league despite his enormous physical advantage over everyone else

Andre Drummond some kind of physical wonder, but can't even hit 40% of his FTs
No post moves, actually, no moves at all on offense
Athleticism with no skills. Haven't we seen this before? Stromile Swift, William Bedford, Benoit Benjamin, and a long list of busts along the way

Monkey baller Kemp taking it to Olajuwon, Hakeem was lucky Kemp couldn't even dribble a ball



Plz, stop kemp

Kemp was like a 1 dimensional smaller version of Bron too that's what's really sad

[spursistan]

Vince Carter still has a 38" vertical at 38, judging athleticism solely on vertical doesn't know how to judge athleticism .

Russel & Wilt MAYBE had a 39" vertical when they were rookies, and they weren't 280lb rookies like Drummond, not even close. I wouldn't be surprised if they lied though, you could get away with all sorts of bull back then like lying about your height, people used to believe Sampson was 7'4 & Olajuwon 7'0

holly Sampson is barely 7'1 there

[KL2]

holly Sampson is barely 7'1 there

Practically all of these guys had their heights exaggerated by 2-3 inches. Mutombo, although he's a bit hunched over from age doesn't look the 7'2 he's listed at.

These days heights are much more accurate, usually guys up their heights 1-1.25" (with shoes), but rarely 2-3 inches like these old school players did.

If we did that in today's league players like Leonard would be 6'8, Marjanovic 7'5, Durant 6'11, etc.

[midnightpulp]

Why do you always use youtube highlights to back up your ty arguments?

Here's how Kemp played against Dream over their careers:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=olajuha01

And today's heights more accurate. 6'8" Dwight Howard is listed as 6'11".

Here's 6'9" Bill Russell standing next to "6'9" Ben Wallace.



As usual, you're full of . Every NBA fan who actually knows the history of the game knows that in Russell's day, players were measured barefoot as opposed to in shoes, like today.

[midnightpulp]

And here's 6'9" Bill Russell alongside 6'11" Tim Duncan.



"6'9" Paul George



Today's heights are more accurate.

[ambchang]

Ok grandpa. I know you enjoyed the days of watching white anerican basketball, but there is no reason to be this agitated. You can get a stroke.

For someone who is promoting new = better, you sure have a lot of recycled old shticks.

Hey, get more videos of athletic players, they are so athletic they MUST be good.

[ambchang]

40%?


But better fundamentals
Better nutrition
Eastern bloc methods
Advanced stats
Etc etc



WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THOSE THINGS

Apparently those things do not help with FT shooting

[ambchang]

Vince Carter still has a 38" vertical at 38, judging athleticism solely on vertical doesn't know how to judge athleticism .

Russel & Wilt MAYBE had a 39" vertical when they were rookies, and they weren't 280lb rookies like Drummond, not even close. I wouldn't be surprised if they lied though, you could get away with all sorts of bull back then like lying about your height, people used to believe Sampson was 7'4 & Olajuwon 7'0

Wilt was 7'1" 275lbs, without Eastern Bloc training methods. If he had those, Wilt would be 360lbs of pure muscle and have a 6' vertical leap, can run 100m in under 6 seconds, long jump 70 feet, and shot put 400 metres. You know, EB training make any normal Joe Schmloe into superman.

And you did notice that 6'11" Dwight was in that photo next to Hakeem and Sampson, right? Why didn't they measure Dwight accurately at 6'8"?

Kevin Love is 6'10" standing next to 6'8" Derrick Williams

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1229...ove_sy_576.jpg

But Charles Barkley was only 6'4"
http://i.imgur.com/kz8SVrz.jpg

[ambchang]

Monkey baller Kemp taking it to Olajuwon, Hakeem was lucky Kemp couldn't even dribble a ball



Plz, stop kemp

Kemp was like a 1 dimensional smaller version of Bron too that's what's really sad

Kemp couldn't dribble? One of the more revolutionary things about Kemp was how well he could handle the ball and go coast to coast.

And glad you brought up Kemp, he was more or less one of the most athletic bigs to ever play the game. While he was good, no one in their right minds would ever put him in the top 20, or even top 30 players of all time. This is taken into account he played in the league when Eastern Bloc training methods became popular (according to some random guy who put up random and often self-contradictory claims), so he was playing against white American basketball players all the time, and yet he still didn't dominate.

[ambchang]

And here's 6'9" Bill Russell alongside 6'11" Tim Duncan.



"6'9" Paul George



Today's heights are more accurate.

Booooom goes the dynamite

[Molotov]

NBA TV ratings plummeting since the 90's, in regular season, Finals, and all star games.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ielsen_ratings


today's NBA
two team league with inflated regular season records
Warriors "historic" season, during worst mass tanking NBA has ever seen
today's Center position
mental midgets, Dwert, Cousins, 50 year old Jim best defensive big
overrated, ref coddled softass wings, Harden, glass ankles Curry, Chucking Rapist, Beta Durant/LeRoid
even fatass Americans don't give a about today's NBA
TV ratings peaking in the 90's
aesthetically pleasing no-talent scrubs
gots

[KL2]

And here's 6'9" Bill Russell alongside 6'11" Tim Duncan.



"6'9" Paul George



Today's heights are more accurate.

TD has about 2" in Russel:




And PG was a 6'7 rookie in that picture, he grew 2" to 6'9 from his rookie year:

[KL2]

Why do you always use youtube highlights to back up your ty arguments?

Here's how Kemp played against Dream over their careers:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=olajuha01

And today's heights more accurate. 6'8" Dwight Howard is listed as 6'11".

Here's 6'9" Bill Russell standing next to "6'9" Ben Wallace.



As usual, you're full of . Every NBA fan who actually knows the history of the game knows that in Russell's day, players were measured barefoot as opposed to in shoes, like today.

Howard is listed as 6'9 on draftexpress w/out shoes and 6'10 with them, he's practically the same height as Olajuwon.

"Measurements prior to 2000 are based on newspaper articles rather than official league do ents. While the measurements reported in such articles are reported to be officially from the predraft camp, we are taking those writers at their word and can not completely verify that information."-Draftexpress

Heights are more accurately listed, some heights were accurate, others were completely off.
You could come up with all sorts of bull back then, in fact I'm sure Mutombo lied about his age, he's in his late 40's in that pic but looks like he's at least around 60



And Kemp was young, it took him years to fill his body out:


Even Leonard was bigger as a rookie

[KL2]

Kemp couldn't dribble? One of the more revolutionary things about Kemp was how well he could handle the ball and go coast to coast.

And glad you brought up Kemp, he was more or less one of the most athletic bigs to ever play the game. While he was good, no one in their right minds would ever put him in the top 20, or even top 30 players of all time. This is taken into account he played in the league when Eastern Bloc training methods became popular (according to some random guy who put up random and often self-contradictory claims), so he was playing against white American basketball players all the time, and yet he still didn't dominate.

Kemp's ball handling was compared to a Griffin or Bron or any other point forwards it just looked great around other bigs/players that were also ball handlers. Everybody raves about Olajuwon's athleticism yet he couldn't even handle Kemp.

Kemp took years to fill his body out, look at the post above, he always gave Olajuwon trouble and was bullying him when he finally did fill out.

[KL2]

NBA TV ratings plummeting since the 90's, in regular season, Finals, and all star games.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ielsen_ratings


today's NBA
two team league with inflated regular season records
Warriors "historic" season, during worst mass tanking NBA has ever seen
today's Center position
mental midgets, Dwert, Cousins, 50 year old Jim best defensive big
overrated, ref coddled softass wings, Harden, glass ankles Curry, Chucking Rapist, Beta Durant/LeRoid
even fatass Americans don't give a about today's NBA
TV ratings peaking in the 90's
aesthetically pleasing no-talent scrubs
gots

That just accounts for American TV ratings, the game's popularity has expanded and exploded globally from the millions to the billions

[ambchang]

That just accounts for American TV ratings, the game's popularity has expanded and exploded globally from the millions to the billions

Hmmm ... Let me guess why that is .... Oh, right, Jordan, a player in the late 80s to 90s expanded that game!