"Start Paddy" Krew :lmao

[midnightpulp]

The big differene with those team from this team is that they have a legit top 3 player in the world that can score of off ball movements, isos and Pick and roll. The dynamics offensively is very different, even the post entry passes are significantly different.

Parker was needed to score in some of the games in that era, specially before manu broke out in 04 because Duncan was really the only option. Manu was still part of the comittee offensively.

It's a different dynamic offensively.

None of the Spurs' offensive dynamics would be worse off if we had consistent PG scoring. If anything, if Parker was still the Parker of old, he'd generate a few more easy looks per game for Kawhi through driving and kicking. And if Parker was still a penetration threat, teams would cheat toward the lane, which would give Kawhi and LMA more space for their midrange jumpers.

You need good-to-great PG play to win a le. The only exceptions in history were Triangle built offenses (but it did help that Scottie Pippen was something of a point forward) and the recent Miami Heat, but Lebron is basically a point guard anyway. It doesn't need to be Parker specifically on this team, but someone does need to generate action off the dribble to collapse defenses and get them rotating to cover secondary action. We won't go very far just posting up and shooting midrange jumpshots.

Since Parker has took a again, Manu needs to be that guy.

[apalisoc_9]

None of the Spurs' offensive dynamics would be worse off if we had consistent PG scoring. If anything, if Parker was still the Parker of old, he'd generate a few more easy looks per game for Kawhi through driving and kicking. And if Parker was still a penetration threat, teams would cheat toward the lane, which would give Kawhi and LMA more space for their midrange jumpers.

You need good-to-great PG play to win a le. The only exceptions in history were Triangle built offenses (but it did help that Scottie Pippen was something of a point forward) and the recent Miami Heat, but Lebron is basically a point guard anyway. It doesn't need to be Parker specifically on this team, but someone does need to generate action off the dribble to collapse defenses and get them rotating to cover secondary action. We won't go very far just posting up and shooting midrange jumpshots.

Since Parker has took a again, Manu needs to be that guy.

This team btw is significantly better than any Big 3 era team.

I mean it won 67 games without its superstar playing 40mgp like Duncan. This team would have 3peated in that era.

You really seem to be undermining the fact that if this team coaching stuff believed this team needed a third consistent scorer, they would have gotten one. They really dont. This team needs a third consistent scorer out of one of the comittee. 85% of the time this year a third guy showed up and stepped up.

Its pretty apparent that's how the coaches feel about the scoring. And quite frankly conisdering the Memphis and Cavs series last year, its more than enough theoritically.

Ofcourse the warriors will probably win in 5 because they are possibly the greatesr team ever, but that shouldnt take away anything from what the Coaching stuff has accomplished structurally in both offensive and defense. Basically, possibly the greatest spur team of all time and probably one of the top 15 teams of all time.

[midnightpulp]

This team btw is significantly better than any Big 3 era team.

I mean it won 67 games without its superstar playing 40mgp like Duncan. This team would have 3peated in that era.

You really seem to be undermining the fact that if this team coaching stuff believed this team needed a third consistent scorer, they would have gotten one. They really dont. This team needs a third consistent scorer out of one of the comittee. 85% of the time this year a third guy showed up and stepped up.

Its pretty apparent that's how the coaches feel about the scoring. And quite frankly conisdering the Memphis and Cavs series last year, its more than enough theoritically.

Ofcourse the warriors will probably win in 5 because they are possibly the greatesr team ever, but that shouldnt take away anything from what the Coaching stuff has accomplished structurally in both offensive and defense. Basically, possibly the greatest spur team of all time and probably one of the top 15 teams of all time.

They didn't think they needed to because Parker was supposed to fill that role. And if the coaching staff didn't think they needed more perimeter scoring, why do you think they signed Kevin Martin?

Also, last season was last season. The Warriors are actually much better this season, as scary as that sounds. This Warriors team easily sweeps last season's Cleveland or Memphis teams. There's nothing wrong with the way the offense is "structured," what's wrong right now is on the player side of the equation. Zero consistency from the role players.

This series is also a poor barometer, since Memphis is gutted. We'll see how they measure up against the Thunder, but I'll predict right now that if Patty, Tony, and Danny continue to play like they have, we're not advancing. Kawhi and LMA plus Whack-A-Mole just isn't enough. Also worth mentioning is that Kawhi is going to have to carry a big load defensively in that series. We can't expect him to score 25-30 every game while also playing world class defense on Durant. He needs perimeter scoring help. That's another reason I've been so adamant about another perimeter player being a threat. Takes a huge load off Kawhi.

[apalisoc_9]

They didn't think they needed to because Parker was supposed to fill that role. And if the coaching staff didn't think they needed more perimeter scoring, why do you think they signed Kevin Martin?

Also, last season was last season. The Warriors are actually much better this season, as scary as that sounds. This Warriors team easily sweeps last season's Cleveland or Memphis teams. There's nothing wrong with the way the offense is "structured," what's wrong right now is on the player side of the equation. Zero consistency from the role players.

This series is also a poor barometer, since Memphis is gutted. We'll see how they measure up against the Thunder, but I'll predict right now that if Patty, Tony, and Danny continue to play like they have, we're not advancing. Kawhi and LMA plus Whack-A-Mole just isn't enough. Also worth mentioning is that Kawhi is going to have to carry a big load defensively in that series. We can't expect him to score 25-30 every game while also playing world class defense on Durant. He needs perimeter scoring help. That's another reason I've been so adamant about another perimeter player being a threat. Takes a huge load off Kawhi.

I really dont think so. The spurs run so many sets this year that makes it extrmelly difficult to have three consistent same player scorer.

Of course the dubs are much better this year and they will beat San Antonio in 4 or 5, but Pop is sticking with his plan. Hes convinced that it will still give them the best chance. The two games in San Antonio probably made him even more convinced.

Kawhi is the best defensive player in the league but his defensive responsibility have somewhat diminshed compared to last year and years before. Pop is actually challenging parker now to take the challenge in the first half now that he isnt the main guy offensively.

Danny also spends about half the time against kawhis matchups. They dont hide kawhi but its pretty aparent that Green is the spurs main defensive guy now.

Not in terms of making him the number one defensive option, thats still on kawhi but kawhis usage has dropped defensively against PGs and SGs save maybe for a few occasions.

The only time hes glued to a superstar now is is when hes playing hjs Rivals lebron-KD-Geroge-Melo-Hayward etc.

I imagine its a personal request.

Again, the third option doesnt have to specifically be Parker. It can be anyone of the comittee.

Are you denying the fact that majority of the time a third scorer actually does show up? Be it parker, Manu,mills, diaw etc.

You only need one of those guys to show up 4 in 7...thats the gamble this team is making imo.

[Kawhitstorm]

Barbosa has gone off on Patty, as well.

Pop brought in K-Mart and Miller to give him some flexibility for these matchup situations, so he needs to get creative.

http://bkref.com/tiny/GexzD

[midnightpulp]

I really dont think so. The spurs run so many sets this year that makes it extrmelly difficult to have three consistent same player scorer.

Of course the dubs are much better this year and they will beat San Antonio in 4 or 5, but Pop is sticking with his plan. Hes convinced that it will still give them the best chance. The two games in San Antonio probably made him even more convinced.

Kawhi is the best defensive player in the league but his defensive responsibility have somewhat diminshed compared to last year and years before. Pop is actually challenging parker now to take the challenge in the first half now that he isnt the main guy offensively.

Danny also spends about half the time against kawhis matchups. They dont hide kawhi but its pretty aparent that Green is the spurs main defensive guy now.

Not in terms of making him the number one defensive option, thats still on kawhi but kawhis usage has dropped defensively against PGs and SGs save maybe for a few occasions.

The only time hes glued to a superstar now is is when hes playing hjs Rivals lebron-KD-Geroge-Melo-Hayward etc.

I imagine its a personal request.

Again, the third option doesnt have to specifically be Parker. It can be anyone of the comittee.

Are you denying the fact that majority of the time a third scorer actually does show up? Be it parker, Manu,mills, diaw etc.

You only need one of those guys to show up 4 in 7...thats the gamble this team is making imo.

For the past month, yes. A 3rd scorer to me is a guy that is a threat to score 20 any given night. Not a player who is capable of scoring 20 once in a while, but a consistent threat. A guy who maybe averages 12-14 points per game, but has numerous 20 point games over the season.

I also don't see how Pop thinks his plan is viable. We really haven't looked all that impressive against the Warriors. Wow, we beat them when they were missing 3 key rotation players.

We'll see what happens against the Thunder. But I won't be surprised if LMA and Kawhi are carrying all the scoring load, which will likely be within 5 points either way of Westbrook and Durant, but the Committee will disappear while someone like Waiters or Kanter provides them with consistent game to game scoring.

[midnightpulp]

http://bkref.com/tiny/GexzD

Glad I'm wrong on that point, at least.

[apalisoc_9]

Kanter right now is the most gifted offensive post scorer in the league. Of course he will always have a chance of eating up lazy Boris diaw, West. Boban played him well.

The spurs should be able to beat the thunder. The thunder outside of Westbrook-Durant-Kanter are very very limited offensively and it doesnt help that those players have to play in a tough offensive structure.

With their offensive structure and our defense. I highly doubt anyone would have an 18+ point performance that isnt Kanter-Westbrook-Durant-Ibaka.

They dont have much.

[apalisoc_9]

But Kanter is scary if I have to be honest. If hes not getting punished in the post or PnR..the thunder is going to be scary because Donovan plays Kanter significant minutes when opppsing teams are doing a piss poor job of taking advatnage of kanter.

[midnightpulp]

Kanter right now is the most gifted offensive post scorer in the league. Of course he will always have a chance of eating up lazy Boris diaw, West. Boban played him well.

The spurs should be able to beat the thunder. The thunder outside of Westbrook-Durant-Kanter are very very limited offensively and it doesnt help that those players have to play in a tough offensive structure.

With their offensive structure and our defense. I highly doubt anyone would have an 18+ point performance that isnt Kanter-Westbrook-Durant-Ibaka.

They dont have much.

Here's hoping.

[dabom]

KawhiGod

[Kawhitstorm]

Kanter right now is the most gifted offensive post scorer in the league. Of course he will always have a chance of eating up lazy Boris diaw, West. Boban played him well.

Kanter isn't even a "post-up" player, he's a PnR/face-up type of guy who pounds the offensive glass or ducks in for deep catches. The Jazz tried to make him a postup player & he did fair well offensively b/c he doesn't have the footwork/counters.

Al Jefferson is still the best postup player in the league. (Cousins/Okafor/Vucevic are also better)

[gambit1990]

^

[apalisoc_9]

Kanter isn't even a "post-up" player, he's a PnR/face-up type of guy who pounds the offensive glass or ducks in for deep catches. The Jazz tried to make him a postup player & he did fair well offensively b/c he doesn't have the footwork/counters.

Al Jefferson is still the best postup player in the league. (Cousins/Okafor/Vucevic are also better)

I didnt mean to say hes a post up player. He just operates in the post. I cant think of anyone as efficient as him when he.gets the ball in the post position.

[Kawhitstorm]

I didnt mean to say hes a post up player. He just operates in the post. I cant think of anyone as efficient as him when he.gets the ball in the post position.

He's huge & has soft hands so he can absorb contact & finish in traffic.

[midnightpulp]

Kanter had the game of his life tonight. Scared of this guy more than ever now. Gonna feast on Fat Ass and West. Does Pop play Boban more minutes or possibly start Diaw and move Timmy to the bench?

[TheGreatYacht]

Kanter had the game of his life tonight. Scared of this guy more than ever now. Gonna feast on Fat Ass and West. Does Pop play Boban more minutes or possibly start Diaw and move Timmy to the bench?

Diaw should start, he killed Ibaka in 2014 and it would be a waste of Tim's post defense if he was on Adams most of the time.

Spreading the floor and getting Ibaka/Adams out of the paint will only help Kawhi and Tony.

[spursistan]

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[in2deep]

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[DeRozan m8]

Trade him

[spurraider21]

that was ugly. he's been so clutch before, too

[TheGreatYacht]

It's over. Get him the out

[Spurs9]

Trade patty

[313]

Meanwhile Cojo outplaying his all star franchise point guard counterpart. Who does Patty compete with? The corpse of Tony Parker?

[noles1983]

all i want for xmas is a pg. just one decent one