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we can, and we will
and by that, I mean the passing and shooting that came with and made up the beautiful game. Even with Prime porker in 2012/2013, the team struggled to score against long athletic teams, that swarmed on defense. The only way to attack a swarming defense like that is to be a great passing team and catch them on their heels.
In 2014, the teams passing and shooting was better than it ever was the previous two years and we also went away from isos a bit. We saw the emergence of Mills, Marco was a big contributor, Diaw 2.0, etc etc
Now the team has changed its offense to more of a slow paced, post oriented offense. It's efficient, sure, but our main threats, OKC, GS, and CLE, still have the defensive make up that gave us fits in 2012/2013...can our new offense effectively attack this defense? If OKC or GS pick up the pace and start a track meet, can the team hope to stay compe ive? Or will the teams defense be enough to weather offensive dry spells?
Obviously we'll find out in the next few weeks, but I'd thought it'd be a decent topic of discussion, while we wait for this terribly boring first round to end.
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we can, and we will
Uhhhh yeah.
No. Without crisp ball movement and moving without the ball the Spurs cannot win a championship. They won't out-shoot the Warriors, they would then have to be more efficient, protect the ball more, play slightly better defense. The one-two punch of KL and LMA will provide the bulk of the offense and that's going to by and large be 2pt shots. At the other end every 3rd trip will be a 3pt attempt. Combating the 3 with a long 2 isn't going to put us in a good spot. We are going to play beating at healthy Warriors team without immaculate ball movement, hard screens and decisive shot attempts. Defense is going to be there.
We can win round 2 without it.
If we make the Finals, it's no guarantee of a ring. If all three stars make it that far healthy for Cleveland, I still take GS over them, but I don't know how our system would match up against theirs. We'd need that beautiful game for sure. Any team other than Cleveland will be toast either way but we all know Cleveland is going to be in the Finals.
^ if we make the finals, it's a guarantee as long as the spurs are healthy. we would destroy the cavs.
News flash; the Cavs are pretty good. Dropped 117 on us back in January. Kevin Love used to give us tons of problems in Minny iirc. I think we would be favorites, with home court and all, but it wouldn't be a lock.
IMO no, which is why I see our ceiling as losing to GSW in 6 in the WCF.
Agreed. I feel if we meet GS, all of our shooters would have to get hot at the same time to keep up, or GS would have to get cold, which isn't completely out of the question with Playoff Klay and Playoff Harrison Barnes looking like their usual playoff selves. But you just know some scrub like Brandon Rush will have a couple games where he hits 3/4 threes to offset it
Shawn Livingston is going to pound Me Matey's billabong into Vegemite paste.Agreed. I feel if we meet GS, all of our shooters would have to get hot at the same time to keep up, or GS would have to get cold, which isn't completely out of the question with Playoff Klay and Playoff Harrison Barnes looking like their usual playoff selves. But you just know some scrub like Brandon Rush will have a couple games where he hits 3/4 threes to offset it
Forgot about him lol there's really no where to hide our tiny ass guards against GS. Hopefully Pop has something in mind.
hope springs eternal
technique is masterful, but sometimes it comes down to DESIRE...........
do we want to be World Champions again? how bad do we want it? hmmmm
Pop can replace either TP or Patty with Manu to give more size in the backcourt.
We can't but our beautiful game isn't dead.
In former years we used TPs penetrations and PnR's to trigger the BG, now we give it to LMA and Kawhi to do so. Some teams might choose not to double/collapse, thus not setting up the BG. But if they do, you can see the crisp passing. In former yeaars it just seemed to be more movement because of TP beeing the faciliator. Just passing it into the post is less chaotic these days (even though I think, sometimes we should at least have some action prior to doing so...hoping it's just Pop saving his stuff for OKC/GS).
I made it a habit to watch the BG tribute video at least once a month, but I'm aware of it being a highlight video. It's not like we scored all of our points this way.
Especially vs the Dubs we somewhat have to accept beeing a power team, that can slow it down. Just doesn't make sense to force chaos, speed and movement especially when they put their death lineup on the court (and in order to win the Championship, any them has to be able to hold your own against just this).
The "beautiful game" didn't come along with the "beautiful D". This team has been playing elite defense. The old saying is that "defense wins championships".
So, yeah.
Beautiful game is nice but overrated. Anyway, the Spurs can still play both types of ball as we saw in Friday's game 4th quarter. That lineup of Manu, Green, Kawhi, Boris, LMA played a hard nosed D along with a very happy, multiple passes offense.
The Beautiful Game won't work against GS. They will out Beautiful Game you if you try to place at that pace.
You've got to slow it down and make it a grind. You got to have crisp passes with purpose to get shots at the right spot. You can't just blinding swing the ball around over and over because The GS defense is quick enough to keep up and turn overpassing into a bad shot.
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The Spurs are playing historically great defense, which often means on offense not wearing themselves out or crashing the boards. I personally don't see this as necessarily worse than the Beautiful Game of 2014. The penetration just isn't there like it used to be, so the Spurs adapted and found a style of play that works. Unless Parker and Manu turn back the clock, I don't expect to see the Beautiful Game.
If this style of play doesn't get them past GSW, then this just isn't the year for 6.
The Spurs can play with good ball movement and higher pace when needed. For certain match ups, it's better to slow things down and take advantage of our good post and midrange players.
Yeah, it's possible. I mean, they won 67 games with Dynamic Duo offense.
This. GS will not double that's the problem. I can't stand the offense this year, but let's just pray that Kawhi and LMA go beast mode against GS.
If Pop was able to make the "beautiful game" from scratch, he knows what needs to be done to dismantle it tbh. Pounding it in the paint and post-up with a point forward in Diaw is the way to go.
True.
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