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Honestly, if religion is a protected class, it's even less complex of an issue to include gays and trans
That's like asking if slanted eyes is a protected group.
Yes, they're protected. They fall under color or race, depending on the case
Honestly, if religion is a protected class, it's even less complex of an issue to include gays and trans
the correct answer is no. eye colors are not protected groups
Lol color is absolutely protected. It's very clear.
It's just that nobody has ever discriminated because of eye color, you think it's not protected, I guess.
no
federally protected classes include race/color, sex, age, national origin, citizenship, pregnancy, familial status, disability, veterans. genetic information as you mentioned is typically limited to health coverage and employment
What do you mean by "traveled in Europe & Asia enough"?
I'm guessing you hit up all the tourist-friendly/higher class spots.
What about the shady areas? Or night clubs? What about making a piss-stop at night in the middle of nowhere? You didn't LIVE in Asia or Europe--you travelled there.
If I had an eighteen year-old daughter who wanted to go to a club just to have a good time, and was forced to use a bathroom with rude, drunk-infested men/boys because of this stupid , I'd be extremely weary. I'd wager her chances of getting harassed, or even worse, "Roethbergered", would go up by quite a bit. Is it really worth it?
mrsmaalox hanging vagina looks like a penis, so she doesn't have any problem going to the men's bathroom.
Here's a test.
On a Friday-Saturday night, ~2 am-ish in a bad/seedy area, your teenage daughter needs to use the restroom. The nearest restroom is in the 24-hour Walmart.
You're not worried at least a little more letting her run in to use the (gender-neutral) bathroom?
It sounds like a potentially bad situation to me.
your tourism thoughout the world. It doesn't mean jack. I grew up in a ghetto/barrio, and I can guarantee there ain't many girls that live in a bad area that would be down with being forced to share a bathroom with men.
Target ain't a 24-hour business.
I'm not really worried about busy places that close early. Your average store/place--Best Buy, B&N, the mall, Bed Bath & Beyond etc.--don't really have to worry. Nobody's getting raped, assaulted or harassed at BB&B...
But for the woman who works 2nd or 3rd shift, and makes a late night stop at 24-hour store--a gas station, Walmart, McDonalds--especially in a bad part of town, yeah I worry for them. Or for High School/college age girls who go out & stay out late on the weekend.
You'd have to be the biggest liberal Koolaid drinker ever not to think having gender-neutral bathrooms ups their chances of getting sexually assaulted, sexually harassed, or raped.
18 states in this country have state wide (this includes good areas, bad areas, day time and night time) non-discrimination laws that cover sexual orientation AND gender iden y . So yea, transgenders (and straight people) are already legally using whatever bathroom they feel like using. If someone here can show me the statistics of all the bathroom sexual assaults, harrassment and rapes that are being committed on innocent, vulnerable women and children in those states, then I will gladly join in on the concerned sweating and hand wringing, because then I will know that a "Ladies Only" sign on a door will keep the sexual predators out. In the meantime I'll be more concerned about phobic assholes assaulting/murdering innocent, vulnerable transgendered citizens every single day and about women and children being sexually assaulted in their own homes----statistics that are easily confirmed (yes, even phobes can use Google).
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Wait...you're saying someone concerned about the safety of their kids in a gender neutral bathroom categorically a phobe? Much of the discussion above has nothing to do with someone being gay or not. Just a concern about creating situations of opportunity for potential sex predators or creating dangerous scenarios for younger girls. Not from the sexual.
No Im not saying that. It is my personal belief that the bathroom laws are based in phobia and that phobes use the safety of women and children as an excuse to whip up support from "concerned" citizens. Situations of opportunity exist everywhere, and when there is proof that a Ladies Only sign on a bathroom door protects women and children from sexual assault, I will advocate for those signs/rules on schools, churches, malls, streets and homes---not just bathrooms.
Maybe we should have a poll on who has daughters/little kids/wives vs none and their opinion on this topic.
a solution in search of a problem using paternalistic solicitude for women and children as a fig leaf for bigotry.
Your irrational fear on behalf of your children doesn't make your opinion more valid. People's rights shouldn't be determined by your arbitrary standard of protection for your kids.
Right, color is protected.
This isn't complex.
wow. do you seriously think that is referencing eye color?
It's referencing color. It includes eye color.
Not sure why you think eye color doesn't count the same as skin color. It's not that complex.
So you're not worried about the night club full of drunk infested men, just the bathroom in it.
There are a couple things worthy of consideration here, and as you're a woman I'm shocked you don't seem gaf about them. Such is the power of your blind loyalty to ideological purity & political correctness.
The first thing is, it's estimated that about 70% of such cases go unreported. It's also estimated that the rates are significantly higher in rural & urban areas. I've read anywhere from 20% higher to 3 times higher.
I was not able to find statistics specific to certain locations/business or time of rape as they relate to gender-neutral bathrooms in "at-risk" public areas. I suspect it's because it's a pretty hard thing to research adequately in and of itself logistically speaking, nevermind the fact of underreporting of rape, assault & harassment, especially among the poor.
Second, 9/10 victims are female. Females are risking waaaay more with gender-neutral bathrooms than males. Open up your bathroom to males, and common sense tells you what is likely to happen.
Finally, this has nothing to do with transgenders. I'm not worried about transgenders committing rape. Firstly, there's just not enough of them to warrant fear of that. Secondly, even if they were, I believe transgenders to be good people by & large.
I'm worried straight men being able to use these bathrooms. Specifically, uneducated, immature, drugged up/drunk, socio-economically disadvantaged men/boys in bad areas. I'm not talking about the bathrooms at the Louvre or Sistine Chapel, or whatever other tourist spot you've hit up in your extensive travels throughout the world. The fact that you'd bring that up as evidence that it's a great idea is laughably naive & ignorant.
There's risk-reward in everything. What exactly is the reward in letting/forcing men & women to piss, & shower in the same space? What exactly do we gain by doing this? All I see is risk for higher harassment, assault, rape, voyerism etc. It's pointless, stupid, PC, gender-equality bull .
What do you think keeps the bad guys out of women bathrooms right now? A picture of a woman on a door?
Nothing, but trans laws give them a get out of jail free card to be in there
Who do you know that's gone to jail for being in the wrong bathroom?
Do you think every case of sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape, voyerism etc. is premeditated?
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