Parker: Leonard Owes thanks to Duncan, Bowen for Defensive Awards

[Chinook]

If we could just hide quotes from ignored posters, you would almost never know they exist.

Bigger issue is preventing the notifications from coming up if they quote/mention you.

[K...]

Spin it all you want...But we aren't talking about Kawhi being overrated here, we talk about Chinook saying his defense is overrated...

He's wrong about Kawhi and doesn't want to admit it. But obviously, if a guys says he's wrong...is a KOF.

His defense is also overrated by a few people. Look in this thread for people who say "Raymond cannot win the dpoy BC advanced stats". That's just dumb, he shouldn't have won but it wouldn't be some crime if he did. . Do you agree with manu that Bruce and kawhi are the same quality defenders ? I don't buti don't give manu for it.

[dabom]

In charge of the think tank with these takes.

[dabom]

His defense is also overrated by a few people. Look in this thread for people who say "Raymond cannot win the dpoy BC advanced stats". That's just dumb, he shouldn't have won but it wouldn't be some crime if he did. . Do you agree with manu that Bruce and kawhi are the same quality defenders ? I don't buti don't give manu for it.

The lengths people go to defend ty posters/takes.

[100%duncan]

Lmao at kawhi didnt respond as if thats a surprise

I doubt anyone said anything to the piece of when he cheated as well but its not good and all

[100%duncan]

don't worry, I laughed

Talking about kawhi is being a fan but ing overhyping green when he was shooting bricks the whole season is warranted what a ing got

[RD2191]

Are people seriously saying the back to back DPOY is overrated? This ing forum, man.

[dabom]

Are people seriously saying the back to back DPOY is overrated? This ing forum, man.

Chill bro. You might get called out for that.

[RD2191]

Chill bro. You might get called out for that.

I honestly believe some of these dudes have mental problems.

[AZK619]

His defense is also overrated by a few people. Look in this thread for people who say "Raymond cannot win the dpoy BC advanced stats". That's just dumb, he shouldn't have won but it wouldn't be some crime if he did. . Do you agree with manu that Bruce and kawhi are the same quality defenders ? I don't buti don't give manu for it.

Why the would you be bothered by people saying he is the best in the league.. Or putting him at a higher level than he is, according to you. You know opinions are like assholes and all that.. Spurs fan are going to homer for their own players.

Some of you Spurs fans are straight up re ed, tbh. But you deserve to be trolled by people who say stupid or overrate their own. What the is buti? Typing stupid ass takes, cant even spell properly to make your own point.

Who the cares if you are giving Manu or not. No one cares.

I swear there must be lots of autistic Spurs fans, cant make this up, tbh.

[ambchang]

SAN ANTONIO – The way Tony Parker sees it, two-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Kawhi Leonard owes a debt of thanks to teammate Tim Duncan and former Spur Bruce Bowen.

Duncan has been named to the league’s All-Defensive team 15 times, the most in NBA history, and Bowen, who retired in 2009, earned a spot on the squad in seven of the eight seasons he played with San Antonio. But Leonard is the only Spur in franchise history who has been honored as Defensive Player of the Year.

While Parker expressed joy Monday for Leonard, who has won the defensive award the last two years, he made it clear that it doesn’t sit well with him that Duncan and Bowen never received the honor.

“I think Kawhi can say thanks to Bruce and Timmy for those defensive awards,” Parker said. “I felt like before, Bruce definitely should have won one of those years and I’m surprised Timmy never won the defensive (award). But I think back in the day, the Spurs didn’t get that much respect. We had to earn that respect. Now everybody respects the Spurs, so they don’t forget Kawhi. That’s just my personal opinion.

“I felt like Bruce and Timmy should have won before, but it’s just like that. Everybody who won deserves it, that’s for sure, but I felt like we’ve been a great defensive team for a long time, and Timmy and Bruce, they never won it, so that’s weird. And now Kawhi, he gets all the awards. It’s great because he deserves it, too, but he can say thank you to Timmy and Bruce.”

Parker, who is in his 15th season with the Spurs, made his comments after Leonard received the defensive award during a news conference at the team’s practice facility. Leonard, a forward, is the first player to win the defensive award in back-to-back years since Dwight Howard won three in a row (2009-11). Leonard, 24, is also the first player other than a center to be named the league’s top defensive player in consecutive seasons since Dennis Rodman (1990-91).

Leonard had four steals and three blocks in the Spurs’ 106-74 win over the Memphis Grizzlies in Game 1 of their first-round playoff series Sunday night at the AT&T Center. The Silver and Black also will host Game 2, scheduled for 8:30 p.m. Tuesday.

Veteran guard Manu Ginobili was asked if Leonard is the best defensive player he’s ever seen during his career.

“Well, it’s not a big compe ion. It’s him or Bruce,” Ginobili said. “Bruce was remarkable. He did less plays that draw highlights, but he was as consistent as it gets. With Kawhi, the fact that his blocks, his steals and dunks, and that type of play, he draws more attention. But both are just incredible and it’s not easy to get a defensive player of the year award.”

The Spurs never quite had a player like Bowen, a relentless lockdown defender who always guarded the opposition’s best perimeter shooter. In short, Bowen embodied the Spurs’ philosophy that winning basketball is grounded in outstanding defense.

“We think if you’re going to be the last team standing, you have to be a heck of a defensive team,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. “It doesn’t mean you’re going to win it, but it gives you an opportunity to be in the ballpark, for sure. We’ve always believed that, right or wrong, and probably always will, because I’m still here. I’m still standing.”

So who’s the better on-ball defender, Leonard or Bowen? Popovich drew laughter from the media with his reply.

“Bruce who,” he joked. “What have you done for me lately? Is that the world we live in? Absolutely.”

(© 2016 KENS)


http://www.kens5.com/opinion/contrib...ards/142183173

Wrong.

David Robinson
Alvin Robertson

[Dro210]

Another reading comprehension fail

How so?

Without porky we're light 4 NBA world championships

What does that have to do with Kawhi owing anybody anything?

Like I said, I've always supported Parker. Just cause I'm calling him on what I see as current bull doesn't mean I'm discrediting his career. I've rated him far higher than the popular opinion for 14 years. I said he was already better for us than Jason Kidd in the summer of 2003, and that he would become one of the best with a long career ahead of him. I called him the best player in the world in 2008. He was among the 3-4 best for the entirety of 2007-2009. I've maintained he's one of the best in the biz as recently as January of this year. I have 2 of his jerseys at my house... He's also choked or not shown up in a good amount of playoff series, including last years, and is currently holding on too much to his old role. This quote is also bull , there's no reading comprehension issues on my end, trust me. These are all realities, good and bad. Parker player fans are so sensitive. Probably cause they're mostly women.

I'd also never call him Porky. His name is Tony Parker, TP9. So who's the real fan?

[Arcadian]

Just want to throw this out there: It's pretty normal for the best player on a team (especially a franchise player like Kawhi) to be everyone's "favorite player." That doesn't mean people should be labeled for it.

There was never a "Church of Duncan" because there didn't need to be one. It was just obvious that everyone was a Duncan fan. Can't we do the same thing with Kawhi?

[Dro210]

Just want to throw this out there: It's pretty normal for the best player on a team (especially a franchise player like Kawhi) to be everyone's "favorite player." That doesn't mean people should be labeled for it.

There was never a "Church of Duncan" because there didn't need to be one. It was just obvious that everyone was a Duncan fan. Can't we do the same thing with Kawhi?

Right on.

I only subscribe to churches of role players.

[YGWHI]

His defense is also overrated by a few people.

Keep trying but you can't explain how a generational talent on defense is overrated.

Look at how salty Chinook is.
Spurs fans, haters, trolls, everyone was excited about Kawhi's two DPOY awards...but not Chinook.

In 13 pages, zero "Congrats Kawhi" coming from him.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259619


You can make a mistake but you're not learning from it, if you don't admit you've made the mistake, that's Chinook problem.

[K...]

Keep trying but you can't explain how a generational talent on defense is overrated.

Look at how salty Chinook is.
Spurs fans, haters, trolls, everyone was excited about Kawhi's two DPOY awards...but not Chinook.

In 13 pages, zero "Congrats Kawhi" coming from him.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259619


You can make a mistake but you're not learning from it, if you don't admit you've made the mistake, that's Chinook problem.

so your point is "Chinook is salty because he din't post in the leonard happy birthday thread! He totally hates him!!!!!"

[Chinook]

Just want to throw this out there: It's pretty normal for the best player on a team (especially a franchise player like Kawhi) to be everyone's "favorite player." That doesn't mean people should be labeled for it.

There was never a "Church of Duncan" because there didn't need to be one. It was just obvious that everyone was a Duncan fan. Can't we do the same thing with Kawhi?

Everyone was a Duncan fan, so no one felt the need to on other players to pump Duncan up. He is and likely always will be the pillar of the franchise. Kawhi isn't the same way. We all like him, just as MOST of us like every core Spur. He's awesome, so we like him a bit. But he's not Duncan, and more importantly, he wasn't when he showed up. Because he wasn't the franchise from day one, you had him in the usual system. As awesome as Kawhi is now, he's not yet at the level (especially in terms of team accomplishments) as Manu and probably Tony were. If those guys can (and indeed did) have Churches, so too can Kawhi.

You're not going to rationalize that folks like Apa and YGWHI are normal fans just because they like the best player. They are on a level beyond how normal Duncan fans were (save perhaps Duncan228, may she rest in Internet peace). Apa, Kawhitstorm and obviously Harlem are a lot smarter and in general have better insight than folks give them credit for, so I'm fine with letting them hang around the general population, but there are others who just have to be called what they are.

[Chinook]

so your point is "Chinook is salty because he din't post in the leonard happy birthday thread! He totally hates him!!!!!"

I think Y really believes he and Kawhi are tight. Like, "You must hate Kawhi if you think I'm a ty poster." It's like, nah dude, Kawhi's not going to bat for you. , he's probably already had to get a restraining order against you.

[Clipper Nation]

Chinnutz and cucK... are just embarrassing themselves at this point, tbh.

[K...]

I guess some of us were just naive thinking Parker vs Manu was about best guard of the generation, offensive leader, and second place on big 3 masthead. It made sense to take sides because it was mutually exclusive

Parker and Kawhi have literally nothing to do with each others success or failure. Yet people insist on assuming they hate eachother, and they themselves hate parker to prove they are the most kahwi lover in a field of kawhi lovers.

if there were a bunch of Danny Green boosters, the KOF would attack them too.
KOF have made a few anti Duncan threads.

Think of the well noticed "I was the first person who realized Kawhi was going to be special" NO link, no quote, those guys. They probably aren't intentionally lying. They probably genuinely believe it.

[YGWHI]

so your point is "Chinook is salty because he din't post in the leonard happy birthday thread! He totally hates him!!!!!"

Connect the dots has never been more challenging...He's the one saying Kawhi's defense is overrated, never praises him as defender..."But he's not salty"

[YGWHI]

I think Y really believes he and Kawhi are tight.

Not really. Like I've said before I just believe you're wrong about him. And...so salty.

[Clipper Nation]

I guess some of us were just naive thinking Parker vs Manu was about best guard of the generation, offensive leader, and second place on big 3 masthead. It made sense to take sides because it was mutually exclusive

Porker vs. Manu never existed outside of France and SpursTalk threads. Everyone with a brain already knew that prime Manu was the far superior player and Rique has always been a scrub role-player.

Parker and Kawhi have literally nothing to do with each others success or failure.

But Duncan and Bowen have everything to do with Kawhi's individual success?

[YGWHI]

if there were a bunch of Danny Green boosters, the KOF would attack them too.
KOF have made a few anti Duncan threads.

Chinook calls me KOF.

And I love Danny, posted nothing but great things about him...I've said several times that Tim Duncan is my favorite all time player. Also, David Robinson but that's more for my dad because I don't remember him so well.

Never made anti-Duncan thread, will never do it.

You're wrong again. Being KOF doesn't mean you hate other Spurs players, just you don't like that Chinook says Kawhi's defense is overrated

[dabom]

Chinnutz and cucK... are just embarrassing themselves at this point, tbh.