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There a big difference between "barely ever" and "never".
That was a Scottie Pippen move by Ben. (That should hit home with Piston fans.)
Refusing to re-enter a game shows at least a chemistry problem between that player and the coach.
There a big difference between "barely ever" and "never".
That was a Scottie Pippen move by Ben. (That should hit home with Piston fans.)
That's the way I heard it. And fans on the Pistons board was talking about it. Both Wallaces refused to go back in. I saw something about how they wanted Darko to do this or that and win the game. I don't know.
But I did hear they both refused to go back in.
Rasheed experienced back spasms. I think Rasheed not playing was more of a precautionary measure, not a refusal to play.
Ben didn't like Carlisle or Larry either.
That may well be. I was refuting Himat's contention that there were "no chemistry problems". His angry denial shows that he knows there are, but doesn't want to admit it.
Ben liked Larry Brown the first season. He started not to like Larry when all the Cleveland rumors started to take away from the attention and focus of the team.
No Piston is in the top 30 in minutes played. And in fact, only Billups is in the top 40.
Not that it is an excuse but Ben W must have been having a very bad day. I bet that was the first and last time.
I do think that is pretty lame of him. Everyone has to work when they are sick and tired. But I have compassion on Ben W for the same reason- some days you just don't want to go into work.
So in other words Ben was just saying, "I've got your back (spams)"? Sounds like team building to me.
Just reported on the pregame that Ben said he hasn't talked to Flip about the incident (that seems bizarre) and has offered no apologies...? He said he was frustrated and Flip knew why and he intends to make amends on the court today.
He said he did talk to the players on the plane about it.
Ben W is lucky Dallas beat us. His not going in could have been a costly mistake.
Big picture Ben Wallace!
Ben screwed up. That was a complete move. But, it's over. I'm sure he's talked to the players. No need to overreact. There won't be any suspensions. If anything, you may see Bens point proved more so than Flips'. I expect a lot more energy from the guys vs the Pacers....especially in the beginning of the game. You will also see Ben used more offensively.
We've seen Ben have minor tantrums before...but to refuse to re-enter a game is a new one. But to get all worried about chemistry, or fatigue is silly.
It was one bad moment on one bad night. By now it's history. Today is a new game.
Last edited by Pistons < Spurs; 04-09-2006 at 11:54 AM.
I tend to agree. If this was just a one time thing, then I really don't think it will bother the Pistons at all.
I mostly agree with what you wrote, but what was Flip's point? From the article it didn't sound like he was posturing; it just sounded like he wanted to give Ben some rest before a final push at the end of the game.
Honestly....I don't know. There has to be 2 sides to the story.......but we don't know Flip's take on it........luckily, he seems to be keeping it and his coments in the locker room.
Ben said he spoke to the players on the plane and I assume that Flip and Joe ride the same plane so what ever Ben said to the players was probably heard by them and was sufficient to prevent a suspension.
You can bet that Joe and Flip talked about the incident and no suspension resulted. Good enough for me.
I'm not gonna start passing judgement on Ben or Flip over one report (from McCoskey) of one isolated incident. Usually when Ben gets mad enough to show it, big things happen; this could be another version of "Let them think they had a good season."
I don't like my Boss, but he's the Boss ... so Flip need to make a point sitting Mr Wallace
Pop probably would kick Mr B ass right at that moment ...
Pop is just more of a people's person.
I had an idea about the Flip..
Flip didn't changed at all since his Rasho days.
Larry Brown is a legend, even when he is coaching the Knicks with one horrible crowd.
You see, I can understand that, though. What Larry did was a move. Trolling for another job during the Finals is like going on a date with another woman on your honeymoon. Larry Brown is a . The only time he's not actively trying to leave his current job and look for a new one is when he's asleep, and even then, he probably dreams of a different job. He's already hinting that NY should fire him (if he quits, he doesn't get another dime).
Big Ben with 12 rebounds (6 offensive) At the Half against the Pacers.
yeah, amazing what he can do when he plays up to his abilities.....
It's just a damn shame it took him acting like an ASS before he decided to show up in a first half.
You are right, the boss is the boss, or in this case the coach. If you let your players pout and refuse to play, you have lost respect.
Ben should have gotten off his butt and played his heart out.
Ben with 20 boards (9 offensive) after three quarters.
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