Hey all,
I guess I'm planning on doing this again this season, even though I don't know where I'm going to find the time. For those of you who aren't familiar, threads like this are where I rewatch the games to score every possession of the opposing star to see which Spur is most responsible for the result. I've been considering ended possessions to be those that result in fouls, shots or turnovers. The end goal is to get PPP scores for players and the defenders.
This introduction post (since I'm not going to break down Game One until early Monday evening probably) is just for me to ask if there is anything in particular folks want me to evaluate or note other than the stated PPP discussion. We've done opponent role-player spotlights, three-point closeouts and shot charts in the past. I'm always open to suggestions for new angles. I am actually going to go to work in a couple of hours, so I'll be making final decisions on the Game One post after I get off (let's say noon CST). So if you have an idea, suggest it before then.
Let's hope for a good series, everyone, with lots of great defensive effort. I want to only have to do four breakdowns.
I would like to see the shot charts and breakdowns of shot % area like the ones I posted in my thread from NBA.com (how many shots in the paint from corner 3, straight away 3, mid-range).
Also, your own version of contested vs uncontested.
Looking forward to it
I'm sure it will be a great read. Thanks for doing this OP.
Also, we can use this thread for general data pertaining to the perimeter D. So if someone has numbers or charts of their own or that they find, they are welcome to add them to the discussion.
thanks in advance!!!!
Don't see very often in this type of analysis, the % ISOs, % denied the ball, % shoot less, % drives lees, of opponents players against one defender.
Just read some of those before the DPOY voting but most of them were about ISOs and shoot less %. Would be great to see all them here.
Is there a particular reason why to do this only about the perimeter defense? I mean, Tim is still elite and he did a great job tonight against OKC bigs but also, protecting the rim. And LMA looks great, too.
I'd love to see in one place all the numbers.
Thanks for doing this Chinook. Looking forward to it. I haven't seen your prior threads so I have no idea how these look like but I guess the league keeping track of hustle stats is helpful to add a layer to it.
Since rebounding is huge this game, very underrated are rotations where perimeter players help to box out bigs, collect contested defensive rebounds or tip them to a teammate or recover loose balls. These are game winning efforts that don't necessarily reflect on individual defense, but good team defenders help the helper etc. It could be an added layer to evaluating our perimeter players. Just a suggestion, not sure how you can incorporate these but since you are watching the game again anyways.
Scoreboard.
Rim protection is often part of what I consider perimeter defense. Help defense is going to be a major factor in my numbers. But really, I just said perimeter defense because that's what these threads have always been called. We'll probably be focusing on Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Kanter unless someone like Waiters or Morrow catches fire.
How much did the defense suffer when the Diaw / West combo we on the floor in the first half.
First quarters are going to be important in this series, but more so against the Warriors. (I'm giving the Spurs credit for getting to the WCF.) In the first 7 minutes or so, Westbrook missed quite a few shots from close. I'd like your take on how much of that was the Spurs defense, and how much was Westbrick just missing shots. Maybe whether there were other Thunder players wide open, if WB had decided to kick instead of doing it himself.
BTW - what you're doing is a lotta damn work. Thanks.
So these are actually extremely fascinating suggestions, and I do think having those numbers would be really helpful. I will say that I don't know that I can provide those numbers. In addition to not knowing the standards they use to come up with their findings, getting those numbers for each player seems extremely time-consuming, which makes it more impractical for me to do this time around. However, I will see how close I can get with the raw data I collect. If you see those anywhere, feel free to post them here. That is the exact type of thing I feel adds to the discussion as least as much as whatever I do.
Well, remember that I don't do anything with graphics, so my version of shot charts are all text-based. If you find interesting images, post them. I do like the idea of pointing out whether the shots were contested or not.I would like to see the shot charts and breakdowns of shot % area like the ones I posted in my thread from NBA.com (how many shots in the paint from corner 3, straight away 3, mid-range).
Also, your own version of contested vs uncontested.
Looking forward to it
Absolutely love this idea, especially given the storyline going into this series. This is really the type of suggestion I'm looking for, as it's a stat that's both not hard to track but also not easy to find.
Keep it up people.
I get it
Probably just a subtle way for the op to satisfy his Danny Green Fanboysim. I can through his tactics.
There are a lot of people stepping up with some damn fine basketball takes and analysis recently. Then there are a few who just go from thread to thread pissing on everything, like dogs.
He's needs a Snickers. Or maybe he's just a miserable person because he is vegan.
One more thing. How about a breakdown of Duncan's defensive play, and whether he's still really anchoring the defense or just holding his own.
I remember these threads, they were great, the input will be welcome if you can find the time.
The main thing I'd like to understand is whether Ibaka was just hot, or the Spurs just dared him to beat them, or the Spurs had some defensive lapses on these plays.
Re: numbers, here are a few from http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...arcus-aldridge
Russell Westbrook was initially guarded by Kawhi Leonard on 84 percent of the Thunder’s half-court offense while both were on the court Saturday. Westbrook was 3-of-16 in half-court and was held to two points on 1-of-7 shooting and committed a turnover when Leonard was the primary defender.
Danny Green was Durant’s initial defender on 62 percent of the Thunder’s half-court possessions while Durant was on the court. When Green was the defender throughout the possession, the Thunder shot 11-of-30 (36.7 percent). Durant had nine points on 3-of-7 shooting.
Leonard started and finished on Durant on only three possessions. The Thunder were held to 0-of-3 shooting on those possessions, and Durant did not take a shot on them.
even though they score close to 100, Durant and Westbrook got frustrated..
Thanks! Shooting less is one of the stats I want to see in %. Sometimes, Tom Haberstroh or Kevin Pelton tweet that type of stats but not tonight.
Ibaka averaged 13.7ppg, 64%FG, 61%3PTFG against Dallas and just had 19 points, 53%FG, 50%3PTFG in game 1. I know when you play the Thunder it's a pick your poison kinda deal with Westbrook and Durant and they did a great job defending them. When Ibaka started hitting 3s I started thinking about the Thunders playoff series win against us a few years ago. Do not want Ibaka to go off on us from outside and I hope someone can cool him down, especially when they head to Oklahoma for game 3. Great game, just something to be careful of.
Posters have stepped up and are sacrificing time to bring good takes and threads to the forum improving it by leaps and bounds, instead of just whining about how great ST used to be. Unfortunately you are not among them - even worse you decide to make fun of people for doing it.
Go eat a steak, drink a beer and calm the down.
I know why SAGirl suggested this, but I won't hate
I feel like Pop made sure Kyle was on court when Kanter was as his length helps clear the boards. Could have been coincidence, but Kyle was very helpful on the defensive boards.
I'll be thrilled with whatever you come up with, based on your description. It sounds like a huge amount of work, and I thank you for it in advance.
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