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Looks like the Samsung 951 series is faster yet than the Intel 750, and less money.
Though...
There is no dispute in my mind about Intel quality.
Maybe I'll go with the Intel 750 series.
There will be a 10-core Broadwell-E cpu coming out in the next month or so most likely, and it'll be on the X99 chipset (LGA 2011-3). It'll probably be about $1500. I'm not sure which will be the faster SSD for you: a Samsung 950 Pro or an Intel 750 Series. They're both PCIE-3.0x4, with the 750 using a PCIE slot and the 950 Pro using an M.2. I'm not that up to date on SSDs since for my uses (gaming, programming, using MATLAB, like that) one SSD is pretty much as good as another. So I'd listen to what ElNono has to say there, he likely knows it much better.
Looks like the Samsung 951 series is faster yet than the Intel 750, and less money.
Though...
There is no dispute in my mind about Intel quality.
Maybe I'll go with the Intel 750 series.
Looks like less than $1500, but I'm not going to spend 4 times more for just 30% better performance.
EA's doing a Livestream announcement of Battlefield 5 on Friday. Supposedly Nvidia is going to be part of this, and introducing GP104 to the press in conjunction with this. Also review samples of the lowest tier GP104 chip have been sent out already supposedly. Sounds like they might release the GTX 1060Ti and GTX 1070 first with GDDR5, and then trickle the GTX 1080 with GDDR5X onto the market due to availability of GDDR5X still being pretty low. If they use different memory I'll definitely be looking at the 80-series instead of the 70-series this time around. I don't think I want to wait for Big Pascal GP100 since I'll pass on having a ing 300W space heater going in the middle of summer tbh.
Last edited by baseline bum; 05-02-2016 at 01:30 PM.
I just wanted to tag RandomGuy. If you haven't gotten your gpu yet, it's starting to sound a lot like Nvidia's new Pascal cards are getting ready for launch. Nvidia has an event on Friday for the tech media but closed to the public. Since review samples of these cards are starting to be shipped, it sounds like this could be to get their cards out to the press for review and to tell them when they'll lift the NDA for the reviews to get published. So we might start seeing reviews of these in a couple of weeks and full retail availability by the end of the month. These should outperform the R9 390 at similar prices, at least for the lower end Pascal cards.
And I really don't think this is bull this time. I'm on the newegg mailing list and they're sending me big discounts for Nvidia cards. Stuff like a brand new GTX 980 Ti for $545, a GTX 980 for $380, and a GTX 970 for $270. These cards normally sell for $650, $500, and $330 respectively. I can't recall ever seeing a GTX 980 for less than $450 and mostly they have been $500 since the 980 Ti launched last May.
Last edited by baseline bum; 05-02-2016 at 01:56 PM.
Ugh. Been putting it off, because I have been super swamped at work, i.e. work later than , and on weekends.
Beautiful case and MB sitting in living room...
This late you should really consider waiting until the new graphics cards are released. It doesn't sound like it's far away at all now, and you're probably going to get a lot more for your money.
At this point I am less concerned with fully optimizing my purchase than with just getting it done, and a functioning computer created, so that we don't have 4 people squabbling over one old-ass unit.
I wants my precioussss
You would literally be buying at the absolute worst time because node shrinks correspond to enormous performance gains due to much higher transistor density on smaller dies (the larger die you have the worse your yields due to defects in the silicon wafers they're cut from). If you want to buy right now, you should get on newegg's mailing list ASAP. They offer deals you can't get otherwise, like the $380 GTX 980 they were selling today. It would be a better buy than a $330 R9 390.
Anyways, the fire sale on this generation's chips looks like it's starting. The cards to look at, from weakest to strongest,
GTX 970 < R9 390 < R9 390x < GTX 980 <= R9 Nano = R9 Fury < GTX 980 Ti
Yep, Nvidia is definitely unveiling Pascal on Friday.
http://videocardz.com/59517/nvidia-t...of-10-campaign
DJR210, get your ass in here! RandomGuy, the new Nvidia cards are very likely coming out really soon.
Last edited by baseline bum; 05-02-2016 at 08:36 PM.
I may have to rethink my selections.
Duly noted. I will save the video card for last then.
Just based on past history, these node shrinks can be a really big deal both on performance and price. When the 28 nm GTX 680 came out it gave 25% higher framerates than the 40 nm GTX 580 even though the 580 used Nvidia's balls to the wall highend chip for that generation (Fermi) while the GTX 680 used a midrange chip from the new generation (Kepler, Nvidia names their generations after physicists). And they sold it for the same price because it's cheaper for them to manufacture a 294mm^2 GK104 chip (used in the GTX 680) than it was a 520mm^2 GF110 chip (used in the GTX 580). So it was a real win-win for both the company and buyers. Once the Kepler drivers had a few months to mature that performance delta between 580 and 680 increased from 25% to 45%, where stabilized. So you were getting 45% more gpu for the money.
With that said, I'm not sure we'll get that kind of value this generation, but I still think the bump will be significant. The reason is Nvidia's compe ion isn't as robust now as it was in 2012 when the 680 was released. Nvidia has about 80% of the market share for graphics cards vs AMD's 20% right now, whereas in 2012 it was 60/40 Nvidia over AMD. But they still can't price this too high if they want people to upgrade.
The chip likely to be announced Friday is GP104 (e.g. GeForce Pascal 104, Pascal is the new generation), and they seem to have segmented it into three products: the GTX 1060Ti, the GTX 1070, and the GTX 1080. GP104 is supposed to be a 320mm^2 chip, which is pretty damn large for an introductory midrange offering. It sounds like the 1060 Ti is going to have 6GB of GDDR5 memory on a 192-bit bus, so it'll have significantly lower memory bandwidth that the GTX 1070, which is rumored to have 8GB of GDDR5 on a 256-bit bus. The GTX 1080 will differentiate itself from the GTX 1070 by having 8GB GDDR5X on the 256-bit bus, but GDDR5X can clock to significantly higher speeds than GDDR5 can, giving it more memory bandwidth that will be really important for 1440p and 4k. You'll also likely pay through the nose for it though, since the GTX 1080 looks like it's going to be the first commercial product to have it.
A conservative estimate would be the GTX 1080 being 15% more powerful than a GTX 980 Ti, which is the 601mm^2 balls to the wall current (about to become previous) gen flagship Maxwell GeForce chip that retails for $650. I imagine this GTX 1080 will sell for somewhere from $600-$700, as the GTX 980 was $550 at launch but I figure this new memory is going to drive the price up a bit. I will guess the GTX 1070 will be very close in performance to the GTX 980 Ti and will probably sell around $400-$450 or so. It would actually be very disappointing based on past history of node shrinks if it's only at 980 Ti level performance, but people will still eat it up at $430 or so for 980 Ti level performance. The historical price is $400 in this 70-series segment, but I think Nvidia can get away with charging a little more since AMD won't release a compe or to GP104 until Q4 2016 or Q1 2017.
Nvidia is probably going to go for a more midrange buyer with the 1060 Ti and sell it around $300, which is the historical price for 60 Ti cards at launch. I would guess something approaching GTX 980 performance here, as the compe ion from AMD should be strong in this price bracket as AMD is targeting an affordable VR card called Polaris 10 for June release. The bare minimum for VR both on the HTC Vive and the Occulus Rift is the GTX 970, and so that's the absolute weakest the 1060 Ti could be if Nvidia wants to sell any of them. And the 970 is 85% of a 980.
Nvidia will later introduce much smaller chips in GP106 and GP107 for the more budget levels ($130-$250). A 320mm^2 GP104 chip is likely way too expensive too produce for it to be in the budget oriented gpus, and the only time I can recall them ever using this class of chip in that price range was in the GTX 760 at $250 back in 2013.
Last edited by baseline bum; 05-03-2016 at 12:36 PM.
RandomGuy, I'll tag any posts with new information and reviews as they come in. I imagine we'll have a week or two after Friday before NDAs expire so reviews can go public, but it sounds like Nvidia is going to release these cards a little ahead of the May 29-June 4 Computex show to steal AMD's thunder, which is exactly what they did last year before Computex. AMD had been working on a GPU called Fury X that was going to compete with the $1000 Nvidia GTX an X, and they were going to sell it for $850. Right before AMD was about to launch it Nvidia released the $650 GTX 980 Ti, which is a barely cut down GTX an X, I mean we're talking like a 2% difference in framerate at stock out the box speeds, and the 980 Ti actually overclocked better than the an X. AMD scrapped their launch and had to spend a couple of weeks trying to see how high they could tweak their clockspeeds to try to match the 980 Ti performance, and had to drop their launch price to $650 to compete with it. And it didn't sell well at all.
But don't even think about holding out for the big die Pascal chips lol. Until January the big die 610mm^2 Pascal GP100 chip is only available in Nvidia's $127,000 deep learning machines, which include 8 GP100 chips and a couple of really high-end Xeon E5 processors. GP100 doesn't hit the market standalone until January (source is the CEO of Nvidia), and then it will be going into $5000+ Tesla and Quadro cards used in scientific computing, 3d rendering for movies, etc. I'd be really surprised if we saw it in a $1000 an class GeForce card before late 2017.
It looks like this leak about what the gpus will look like is accurate
since it matches up pretty well with Nvidia's Pascal teaser page with the countdown until the cards are revealed
Link to the countdown page:
http://orderof10.com/humanityshallbeenlightened
It's starting to sound like GP106 is coming in addition to GP104. Not that GP106 is likely to be worth buying, it'll probably be overpriced budget crap.
Just finished AC1. Man that game is so repe ive. I really enjoyed the first few hours, but then I found I was doing the exact same mission over and over again. E.g., fight the soldiers and rescue the peasant, pickpocket the guy, collect the flags, run to the other rooftop, kill the three soliders before the time limit was up, beat up the preacher, spy on the conversation, and kill the archers without being spotted. Is the rest of the series so repe ive like the first game is? I mean AC1 felt like it had really great potential but it's so boring doing the exact same thing over and over again. It's like they did the first section of one city and then ran out of time to finish the game and just repeated the same old in every other section of every other city. Is there more variety in the rest of the series? Because the mechanics of the game feel pretty cool.
Another thing that pissed me off about AC1 is I would try to do the assassinations in stealth, picking off archers, sneaking around and such, but then I would get to a point where it wouldn't let me do anything but walk into the cutscene and then I just had to swordfight my way through the target's guards.
So does the series get better?
They do add new stuff in every iteration... By the 3rd or so, you can actually do full stealth, since you get the option to do certain things to complete the mission fully stealth or not. Then they added more side mission stuff which had different type of mini-games.
I never played AC1 but II and Brotherhood are good.. I bought Revelations which I have yet to really play. I don't like Pirates (go figure) Colonial bull , french revolution, Indians, or whatever this new bull they got going on. Ancient Rome FTW
I heard 2 is the highpoint of the series. I probably need a 1080 to play Unity and Syndicate though.
I just started playing AC2, and man, it's an enormous upgrade both graphically and in control responsiveness vs AC1.
AC2 is ing hilarious, where you automatically pickpocket anyone you bump into and then they start cussing at you in Italian. Plus it looks pretty good running on 1440p DSR, I can't believe the game is from 2009 with how good it looks.
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