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Just ban him already and be done with it. You know it's going to happen eventually tbh.
Props to Chinook for this thread
Lay em out son
Just ban him already and be done with it. You know it's going to happen eventually tbh.
Props to Chinook for this thread
I'd like to see a stat on succcessful Pick n Rolls vs. well-defensed PNRs. We did a good job last night, often leaving the OKC Big 2 frustrated without a shot on this basic play.
Last edited by wildbill2u; 05-01-2016 at 10:56 AM.
Can you do this for OKC's defense of SA and set it to circus music?
Speaking of that, I'm waiting for CryHavoc's post-game grades. I'm not starting a new thread to ask, but this is a good place for it.
So step it up, CryHavoc. What could possibly be more important that taking time out of your life to give us something to read?
Here are the raw numbers for all players:
Player Poss. Makes Misses Fouls TOs Points PPP Westbrook 23 5 14 4 2 14 0.608696 Durant 17 6 9 2 1 16 0.941176 Ibaka 15 8 7 0 0 19 1.266667 Waiters 11 3 3 4 2 11 1 Adams 9 4 3 2 0 9 1 Kanter 9 3 4 1 1 6 0.666667 Payne 8 1 5 0 2 3 0.375 Foye 4 2 2 0 0 5 1.25 Morrow 2 1 0 1 0 5 2.5 Roberson 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 Collison 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 Mohammed 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 Singler 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
And here is how the Spurs players fared individually:
Player Poss. Makes Misses Fouls TOs Points PPP Aldridge 23 9 13 1 0 22 0.956522 Green 17 5 8 2 2 12 0.705882 Anderson 11 5 4 2 2 12 1.090909 Duncan 8 2 5 1 0 4 0.5 West 8 3 4 0 0 8 1 Diaw 6 3 2 1 0 7 1.166667 Leonard 6 3 2 3 1 10 1.666667 Marjanovic 6 2 3 1 0 4 0.666667 Martin 6 1 3 2 1 5 0.833333 Parker 5 4 1 1 0 4 0.8 Ginobili 3 0 1 1 1 2 0.666667 Miller 3 0 2 0 0 2 0.666667 Mills 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
What sticks out to me is how often Green was attacked and how often LMA found himself in help position. You can pretty much disregard Waiters, as he was garbage time. Adams did well on the boards and in garbage plays. Ibaka was the most efficient Thunder player, and hopefully he doesn't get too many games like that. Him making those threes completely drives down LMA's rating. Aldridge was by far the Spurs' best defender. He cleaned up so many Thunder drives. When Westbrook said the help men were his main focus, I can see why. Other thing is that Kawhi was only involved in six possessions, though to be fare, he also had three non-possession fouls. That's a shutdown corner if I've ever seen one.
Now to the stats for the Thunder's four best offensive players:
Durant Poss. Makes Misses Fouls TOs Points PPP Westbrook Poss. Makes Misses Fouls TOs Points PPP Aldridge 2 1 1 0 0 2 1 Aldridge 8 1 6 1 0 4 0.5 Anderson 4 1 3 0 0 2 0.5 Anderson 2 0 1 0 1 0 0 Green 10 4 4 1 1 11 1.1 Diaw 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 Parker 1 1 0 0 0 0 Duncan 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 Total 17 6 9 2 1 16 0.941176 Ginobili 1 0 0 1 0 2 2 Green 3 0 2 0 1 0 0 Ibaka Poss. Makes Misses Fouls TOs Points PPP Leonard 3 1 2 1 0 2 0.666667 Aldridge 9 5 4 0 0 12 1.333333 Parker 2 2 1 4 2 Diaw 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 Total 23 5 14 4 2 14 0.608696 Duncan 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 Green 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 Kanter Poss. Makes Misses Fouls TOs Points PPP Leonard 2 2 0 0 0 5 2.5 Diaw 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 West 1 1 0 0 0 2 2 Leonard 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 Total 15 8 7 0 0 19 1.266667 Marjanovic 3 1 1 1 0 2 0.666667 West 4 1 3 0 2 0.5 Total 9 3 4 1 1 6 0.666667
Some observations:
The Thunder were far too hesitant to have Westbrook attack Leonard. Especially after two fouls in the first half, it didn't make any sense to go away from that. For all the talk about Westbrook not being able to post up Leonard, it's strange that the Thunder didn't try it. Simply put, they won't win by trying to avoid the Spurs' premier defender. They just aren't versatile enough.
Webber is an idiot. The Thunder posted up Durant on at least 10 possessions. I would go back and count if the game weren't about to start. The issue was that they were posting up really far away from the rim -- like almost to the three-point line. Durant is just not built to be able to move his man back that far. Even short distances, he has to absolutely drive his body into his man to the point it could be an offensive foul. Asking him to back his man down consistently just begs for the Spurs to pull the chair on him.
The team defense did a great job at collapsing the paint. Whenever any Thunder player got near the rim, at least two black jerseys were around them. I've never seen a team have so many non-contest pressures in my life. Even though there were quite a few shots where there wasn't a hand in their face, the Thunder players were having to jump at weird angles to get there. The Spurs also had really active hands in preventing layups that began under the rim. So many blocks and deflections there.
All in all, we'll see what happens. I think Kanter will eventually have better games. I also think Roberson won't play as much this upcoming game. His defense is pretty wasted, and obviously he sucks on offense. It's possible that starting Waiters would give the first-unit that third guy they really need to keep Parker honest. Kawhi's going to have to avoid the cheap fouls he picked up last game, and the Spurs have to do a better job at boxing out guys like Adams. There's a path for the Thunder to win this series, but it will disappear if the Spurs just don't lose focus.
I managed to find enough time to get the raw data for the game and crunch some of the numbers. I didn't have enough time to get to the special requests (I intend to get to them throughout the week), but I have done some work to make collecting and organizing data easier in the future.
For those of you who don't know, I award credit/blame based on who I think is most responsible for the result. There's some subjectivity in there, but it comes with basic guidelines:
1) Players own their own fouls and blocks and almost always their own steals: Getting credit for these on the official play-by-play means they get the credit for the result even if I think someone else may have been more responsible.
2) Credit is slanted toward help defenders. If a defender gets beat off the dribble and another rotates, the new defender will get credit for the play if they force a miss, but if they don't force a miss, then the original defender gets credit. This does not include preplanned rotations like in the PnR. The help guy is expected to defend their opponent, and failing to do so goes against them.
3) Almost everything is credited. There's only one stat in this game that doesn't have an owner, and that's Roberson's turnover off that weird inbounds pass. I don't have a "transition" or "multiple" category like some analyses do. If you fail to pick up your man on the break or fail to get the switch, then you're responsible for the score. If you get a tech, you're responsible for that point they score on the free throw.
If you have questions about the data, I have a more detailed spread sheet than I did last year. Of course there's room for debate on plays, and I welcome it. Fire away, but please don't JUST do that. If you think my method is flawed for what it's trying to do, have counter examples or suggestions on how to improve.
Many, many thanks for the excellent work.I'll hope to give a more informed comment after the game.
Thanks in advance. Good to see folks getting enthusiastic and posting something with substance. Love the breakdown. Excellent job.
Wow, that's going to take some time to digest. That looks like they didn't test Duncan much at all. It will be interesting to watch that tonight. And Danny did a pretty damn good job, considering what was thrown at him.
That's a of a lot of work. I want to come back to it after the game.
As a correction, I had Payne's three in Kawhi's row rather than Green's (they're adjacent, as you can see from the charts). Here is the corrected table for each:
Player Poss. Makes Misses Fouls TOs Points PPP Green 17 5 8 2 2 15 0.882353 Leonard 6 3 2 3 1 7 1.166667
You say LMA was the best defender but when you look at volume plus PPP it seems DG grades out best, no?
Yeah, as I mentioned, LMA got saddled with Ibaka going off for those few minutes in the third. He was awesome, awesome in his help.
Got ya
bump for game 3?
Green on Durant has probably been the best move Pop has made this series. If Durant is going to hit ridiculous contested jumpers, it doesn't matter if it's Danny or Kawhi on him. But Danny pesters him quite a bit
Sorry to ask of this, but did you ever finish this Chinook ? Curious about Westbrook's/KD's numbers when Kawhi was the primary defender.
I haven't yet. I am still working tons of overtime (like seriously haven't had a day off since the second GS game). When that's over (and it could be months yet), I'll do some breakdowns.
No worries/rush, like I said was mainly just curious to see how KD and Westbrook did when Kawhi was guarding them. I had Finals going on during most of the series so I missed a good amount of the games and wasn't able to watch. Know that Durant had some huge games down the stretch but not sure whether he was torching Kawhi or just doing most of his work when guys got switched or Kawhi was guarding Westbrook.
Kawhi switched onto KD when he was rolling, he was basically asked to put away the fire & it didn't work.
Here is my analysis...
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