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    If the dems lose the presidency they lose the chance to get congress.
    How's that? They are elected separately.

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    How's that? They are elected separately.
    Pres's coattails vary in length, but seem to be conventional wisdom.

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    Pres's coattails vary in length, but seem to be conventional wisdom.
    That's because we're typically choosing between two candidates. In 1992 when Perot was a strong 3rd party candidate, the Democrats won the Presidency while losing nine seats in the House and remaining flat in the Senate.

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    That's because we're typically choosing between two candidates. In 1992 when Perot was a strong 3rd party candidate, the Democrats won the Presidency while losing nine seats in the House and remaining flat in the Senate.
    coattails exist but not perfectly reliable.

    Dems, win or lose the WH, won't dislodge enough, or any, of redistricted, gerrymandered "safe seat" Repugs who blatantly want to destroy Federal govt by defunding it, by obstructing ALL progress, solutions, executing the strategy as reliable s of the Kock Bros/VRWC.

    Hillary will "work with" the Repugs in Congress to get some silly little nominally progressive turds into legislation while giving the Repugs everything they want.

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    The more I've thought about it, assuming he loses the nomination, I really do hope Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate. Even if that means a Trump Presidency.

    Regardless of how you feel about her, Clinton is likely to be less effective than Obama at working with this Congress. Trump may not be much more effective, thankfully. And the danger of a Trump Presidency can be reduced further by an increase in progressive representation in Congress and at the state and local level.


    Bernie may not have a chance at winning the Presidency as a 3rd party candidate but he will bring out the Progressive vote. A Trump vs. Clinton ticket alone would probably have the opposite effect, even though that scenario is better for Clinton.
    What if Trump elected Cruz to the SCOTUS? Would that be an even trade if the Bernie/Hillary progressives came out in droves and allowed dems to take back the house and the senate?

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    What if Trump elected Cruz to the SCOTUS?
    That is terrifying.

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    What if Trump elected Cruz to the SCOTUS? Would that be an even trade if the Bernie/Hillary progressives came out in droves and allowed dems to take back the house and the senate?
    Trump can't elect a SC Justice, he can only nominate them. I would hope if the Dems took the House and Senate, Cruz wouldn't have a chance at getting the seat. I don't think Trump will nominate him anyway.

    We need Bernie on the ticket to mobilize voters. I absolutely prefer a Clinton Presidency to a Trump one, in a vacuum, but the cluster of ideologues likely to be elected by anti-Clinton voters if the Bernie-bots stay home scares me more.

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    " Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate. Even if that means a Trump Presidency. "

    amazing. NOTHING, esp a hopeless 3rd pro forma candidate, justifies Trump as pres.

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    " Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate. Even if that means a Trump Presidency. "

    amazing. NOTHING, esp a hopeless 3rd pro forma candidate, justifies Trump as pres.
    The possibility of Hillary is what justifies Trump as president. Trump > Hillary

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    The possibility of Hillary is what justifies Trump as president. Trump > Hillary
    We are in for bad times if the butcher of benghazi becomes president, tbh

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    We are in for bad times if the butcher of benghazi becomes president, tbh
    The butcher of Bengazi...


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    The butcher of Bengazi...

    Make sure to get your bumper sticker

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    Benghazi!

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    Make sure to get your bumper sticker
    For a self described democrat, you sure have extreme like views.

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    What does party affiliation have to do with it, tbh? I'm democrat because I have a firm belief in ethics and promoting social values. I don't see hilary being the embodiment of left wing values, she just panders to them. I don't like her and many other democrats don't either.

    I can't support warmongers either, tbh

    For a self described democrat, you sure have extreme like views.

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    Benghazi!

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    She really was not a great Secretary of State. Also, she seemed to see herself as a military adviser as much as a top diplomat.

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    For those who believe that this race it's over quite yet....

    linton | 1,707 pledged delegates
    Sanders | 1,418 pledged delegates

    Remaining Delegates: 926

    Sanders now needs 608 more pledged delegates to reach 2,026...
    There are three contests left in May:

    May 10th
    WV — 29 pledged delegates, Sanders polls: +4-8%
    May 17th
    KT — 55 pledged delegates, Sanders polls: no data
    OR — 61 pledged delegates, Sanders polls: no data*
    Sanders wins WV, KT and OR...with a good chunk of pledged delegates and Hillary will be feelin the Bern...

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    For those who believe that this race it's over quite yet....



    There are three contests left in May:



    Sanders wins WV, KT and OR...with a good chunk of pledged delegates and Hillary will be feelin the Bern...
    I dont know why his people are saying he'll win Kentucky. He's not.

    A few weeks ago their camp was saying how they would sweep May.

    They lost Guam to Clinton today. Nothing to write home about but there goes the sweep.

    The proportionate delegates makes it impossible for him to catch up with pledge delegates, never mind superdelagates.

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    I dont know why his people are saying he'll win Kentucky. He's not.

    A few weeks ago their camp was saying how they would sweep May.

    They lost Guam to Clinton today. Nothing to write home about but there goes the sweep.

    The proportionate delegates makes it impossible for him to catch up with pledge delegates, never mind superdelagates.
    ....with 926 delegates remaining to be won, he’ll now need to win 65.6%

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    ....with 926 delegates remaining to be won, he’ll now need to win 65.6%
    Good luck?

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    This feminist is sticking with Bernie Sanders: Why Hillary backers need to take another long, honest look

    by MARIE MYUNG-OK LEE

    A week after the New York primary, I had lunch with a colleague whom I hadn’t seen for a year.

    We are both avowed feminists and members of a joke secret society, Women Who Get Done (we have badges, that’s about it);

    she started talking about having voted for Hillary Clinton, in that confiding way one does when presuming the other person feels the same.

    I had to stop her and gently let her know that I had voted for Bernie, and even with the (contested) results in, I was still Sanders.

    She immediately backtracked and revealed, as if disclosing a shameful secret, that “Bernie’s positions” — voted against the Iraq, against fracking, for banking regulation — “align much closer to my own than Hillary’s.”

    Why on earth vote for Hillary then? I asked, astounded.

    The best she could come up with was “My daughter really wants me to vote for Hillary.”

    Besides “having a woman president would be historic” and “Hillary has the most experience,” they would look at me blankly when I’d say, “And I disagree with almost everything she’s done in the State Department and much of what she did while she was a senator.”

    “Honduras,” I said.

    “Glass-Steagall.

    Iraq War vote.

    TPP.

    Israel-Palestine.

    GMOs.

    Her promotion of fracking not just here but globally.

    NAFTA.”

    How about that Saudi Arabia got their arms deals approved in a Hillary State department coincidentally after giving lots of money to the Clinton Foundation?


    I explain, further, that after publicly cheering on the Columbia activists who successfully got the university to divest from private prisons, I thus feel I could hardly undo this accomplishment by voting for a candidate who profits from the industry.


    I’m flummoxed by friends who exclusively feed their children organic food but suddenly are agnostic on GMOs and which pesticide companies give to which candidates). Previously, I might have elided over these unholy corporate ties, too, as being unavoidable. That maybe as a woman, Hillary has to play rough and get the money where she can in order to stay in the game.

    But I don’t feel that way any more, because Senator Sanders has shown he can actually run a campaign without taking corporate money or having mainstream media attention.

    What about equal pay?

    Looking at the numbers, Hillary plays her female staff less than the men, according to this report while Bernie Sanders pays his female staff more than men–a distinctive data point the media seemed to have missed completely.


    I’m still a feminist and I’m #StillSanders. Bernie’s a fighter, too. He wasn’t dubbed an “honorary woman” by Gloria Steinem for nothing.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/this...g_honest_look/



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    MSM establishment TRASHING Bernie by ignoring him

    Media Silent as Bernie Sanders Packs California Stadium Beyond Capacity (PHOTOS)

    Despite the mainstream media’s repeated assertions that the Bernie Sanders movement is now a thing of the past, enthusiasm from his base only seems to be growing, based on the overwhelming number of people who flocked to his rally in Sacramento this Monday night.

    Supporters lined up for over four hours to see Senator Sanders outside Bonney Field — some of them even longer.

    Somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 people were estimated to have been packed inside the stadium, with more than 10,000 more continuing to wait outside.

    The hashtag #BernieInSacramento quickly exploded onto the top trends on Twitter, and yet the mainstream national media once again chose to ignore the massive influx of support and unprecedented turnout. Only local outlets covered the rallies, and local Sacramento NBC affiliate KCRA-3 only attached the following picture to their article, obviously taken before the rally as people were still entering the field:

    http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-sacramento-california/



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    ^ It has been well established Bernie packs the house. It has also being established that he has lazy supporters that dont vote for him. That's why he's losing.

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    ^ It has been well established Bernie packs the house. It has also being established that he has lazy supporters that dont vote for him. That's why he's losing.
    Yep, but West Virginia was pretty clear in their opinion of Hilary

    Too bad they both came out with the same delegates.

    Btw what do you think about Teamsters unwilling to back Hillary? They always back the dDemocrat candidate, this is pretty unheard of tbh

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