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Tim > West in this series. Either Tim or LMA has to be on the floor at all times, otherwise we'll get destroyed on the boards.
Sad thing is Tim won't get enough credit for building this franchise because of the same overrated coach and his supposed "system"
Casuals think PATFO have always supplied Tim with deep rostersing shame, really.
Tim > West in this series. Either Tim or LMA has to be on the floor at all times, otherwise we'll get destroyed on the boards.
They were in an epic slump that they might as well have retired on the spot.
If Pop starts Diaw or even West (he started Bonner in 2014) then you know he means business.
Sad thing is Tim won't get enough credit for building this franchise because of the same overrated coach and his supposed "system"
Casuals think PATFO have always supplied Tim with deep rosters
Yeah being pithy makes your other take more meaningful.They were in an epic slump that they might as well have retired on the spot.
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6-7 185 June 14, 1971 7 California State University, Fullerton 23 Devin Brown SG 6-5 220 December 30, 1978 1 University of Texas at San Antonio 3 Matt Carroll SG 6-6 212 August 28, 1980 R University of Notre Dame 7 Anthony Carter PG 6-1 190 June 16, 1975 4 University of Hawaii 21 Tim Duncan PF 6-11 250 April 25, 1976 6 Wake Forest University 10 Alex Garcia SG 6-3 220 March 4, 1980 R 20 Manu Ginobili SG 6-6 205 July 28, 1977 1 1 Jason Hart PG 6-3 185 April 29, 1978 2 Syracuse University No. Player Pos Ht Wt Birth Date Exp College 11 Shane Heal PG 6-0 180 September 6, 1970 1 5 Robert Horry PF 6-9 220 August 25, 1970 11 University of Alabama 33 Ron Mercer SG 6-7 210 May 18, 1976 6 University of Kentucky 8 Rasho Nesterovic C 7-0 248 May 30, 1976 5 9 Tony Parker PG 6-2 185 May 17, 1982 2 31 Malik Rose PF 6-7 250 November 23, 1974 7 Drexel University 14 Hedo Turkoglu SF 6-10 220 March 19, 1979 3 17 Charlie Ward PG 6-2 190 October 12, 1970 9 Florida State University 42 Kevin Willis C 7-0 220 September 6, 1962
Seeng Tim go out like this hurts.
Tim is an offensive liability in this series. The Thunder bigs are leaving him alone in the paint to play help defense on the perimeter players, knowing he can't capitalize on it.
At least West is a threat to hit a mid-range jumper every once in a while.
Let's not kid ourselves.
Tim will be an offensive liability for the remainder of the playoffs. He is also a defensive liability because he can't jump or move. This was the series that he was expected to be useful and important. It hasn't happened. He's the GOAT - no doubt, but an untimely and unforeseen breakdown of his other knee has stripped him of what little he had left. -- True to form for both Tim and the organization, talk of his injured knees seems to be off limits to the press and his teammates. No one's talking about it but the man is seriously hobbled and giving what little he has left. When he starts to become a problem on the court, Pop is yanking him out and quite possibly saving him from himself. Similar to a corner man telling his boxer that he's going to do what's right for him and stop the fight if he sees him getting clobbered.
I felt confident that a 2015 Tim, Kawhi Leonard and LMA would be enough for the Spurs to win a Championship this year. I have serious doubts now. Tim is worse than TP was last year and its extremely sad to see. I think everyone on the team is aware of it too. If Tim can't give more than he has and Danny Green / Patty Mills keep playing like , we don't have a chance. No matter how good your defense is, you still have to score points to win and without Tim, we are lacking some serious firepower. TP's resurgence the last two games has been nice and he helped win Game 3, but counting on that sort of productivity consistently is unrealistic.
The iden y of this team changed and it feels very uncomfortable. Tim, Tony and Manu were all vocal leaders and took ownership on the floor. Now its in the hands of Leonard and LMA to lead the team and it feels awkward. There's no third player and the bench seems to lack an iden y too.
Man, 2014 seems like an eternity ago.
OKC sucks balls and to see them win twice against the Spurs is sickening. I still expect the Spurs to win this series but it may be all for nothing. Golden State looks better - even without Curry. To make matters worse, Cleveland has found its groove and will cakewalk to Finals.
He carried that crap roster to 58 wins and lead LA in all 5 games going in to the 4th. What other player could do that???
Boy does it
Very well reasoned and you articulated it better than I could have.
It truly hurts to see my favorite athlete of all time go out like this, I truly hope Duncan retires after this season, because the wheels have truly fallen off. He just is too old and seasoned now. I just hope he gets the recognition he deserves, but the fact remains, Duncan will retire after this season and he will not go out a champion.
If Tim has to be out of the rotation then the Spurs are done b/c there will be ZERO rim protection. They will essentially turn into a deeper version of the 2014 Blazers. If LMA was a decent rim protector like Pau & if Diaw could rebound like Odom then they could have been like the 2008 Lakers who went to the Finals w/o Bynum/Ariza.
If Curry is healthy, the Spurs are probably going to get punked by the Duds like the Lakers got punked by the Celtics.
At least he will retire w/ dignity unlike Malone/Hakeem/Ewing/Barkley/Shaq...etc. I think he also needs just 5 wins for the most all-time postseason wins.
Either more Timmy or it's about time to go small with Kawhi at the 4.
This David West show is getting ridiculous.
He is just not a Spurs-winner, maybe the opposite, and we cannot depend on him like this.
I sort of guess my question is what happened exactly with the mid to late year knee injury. We know it happened he sat a few games and came back looking poorly. Since then he has been notably hobbled but no one really said anything about it and you have to wonder since Tim was playing moderately well on offense and very well as the defensive leader.what exactly happened.
If it was going to be this big of a deal it should have brought to the attention of the world. I also have to wonder if he would have sat after that would it have fully healed or if he just coming back knowing that he was playing out basically his last season.
where is the Spurs announcement that Tim injured his good knee?
and how does allow him to play but miss layups?
Tim definitely knows how to rebound the ball and box out well. The thing West does better at this point is finish in the paint and doesn't go up soft. it's so frustrating to see Duncan get stripped/blocked so easily cause the way he tries to finish out there.
It's tough... I mean we won 2 games already so we don't need to re-invent the wheel too much. Duncan should probably play a few more minutes than he has, but I think he should play with West more with the 2nd unit. Have Diaw play with the starters, cause our wings in the starting unit rebound the ball much better than our wings off the bench
Is this educated speculation or is has the been discussed in the radio waves down there in SA?
I mean it's perfectly logical and actually makes me feel better about how his role has completely diminished in these last two games.
Remember when some of us were worried that the Spurs were short of Center type big men?
Remember when we all loved West for leaving money to play for the Spurs, but Spurs actually needed another rim protecting big more?
Oh yeah.. welcome to the mustache brothers show.
That said, I think Timmy should have been in the game. At least he seems more effective denying the offensive rebound and banging with Adams/Kanter.
It's more educated speculation because they just aren't talking about it down here. One local sports anchor (Don Harris) mentioned that he thought Tim looked out of shape a few weeks ago. TD picking up 4 fouls in one half is very uncharacteristic of him. Perhaps Pop thought Tim's rotations were too slow and leading him to grab or hack or whatever. I'm not sure.
Aldridge was poor on defense last night. He was slow on his close outs and so was Diaw. Diaw was really bad. He looked like a spectator on a couple of possessions - especially when Kanter made his 3 from the corner.
I was disappointed in West's game initially but he was put in a tough position. One time he was switched out on Durant. That's a recipe for disaster for any big. He also played the entire 4th quarter. He's no spring chicken and was probably winded.
Danny Green was horrible. I don't care what the cir stances are, your starting shooting guard can't post 0 points and 5 fouls. He had 5 rebounds and a couple of steals but that doesn't make up for his poor offense.
In all, if you look at the box score -
OKC won the Rebound category: 40-34
OKC won the FT line battle: 22 makes to SA's 15.
OKC shot 50 % to Spurs' 47%.
OKC had 23 assists to Spurs' 12.
As lopsided as all of those stats are, the game was in the Spurs' control until the 4th.
Waiters and Adams gave the Thunder unexpected offense and Durant got hot in the final quarter. Spurs' bigs got their assess handed to them in the hustle category by Adams. 16 pts? Come on man. Looked like the Spurs got happy with the split and packed it in early. That was extremely disappointing. I don't mind the Spurs losing in the playoffs but NOT when they underachieve. That sucks to watch. Game 5 will be very revealing about the team's resolve.
Just posted this in another topic, but if you look at some of Duncan's numbers before/after he missed time this season with the knee injury, it definitely seems to back up the theory that it's the main factor in his decline.
Pre-knee injury (36 games, 26.1 mpg): 56.4 TS%
Post-knee injury (24 games, 23.4 mpg): 48.5 TS%
For the first half of the season, he was playing about where he was at last year. Obviously scoring less with the addition of LMA, but he was still a threat in the PnR and could finish at the rim. Since the knee injury, his offense has practically been non-existent. I also agree with whoever mentioned that the media won't talk about it for whatever reason. It's annoying because some people are acting like he's just an old POS (well to be fair, he is old
As for whether he should play more this series...when OKC goes big, yes. Either play Duncan or play Boban; letting OKC just slaughter us on the boards isn't a good option. OKC is hard enough to stop already with KD/Westbrook; give them 2 opportunities every time and it only gets that much tougher.
If you look at the 1st rd West couldn't even guard JaMychal Green while Tim was holding his own against Z-Bo. Low key, I wish David West never opt-ed out & stayed in Indy so PATFO could have signed a backup center like Cole Aldrich.
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