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    non-white, non-Christian, so nuke the Nips.

    A Beaten Country

    Apart from the moral questions involved, were the atomic bombings militarily necessary?

    By any rational yardstick, they were not.

    Japan already had been defeated militarily by June 1945. Almost nothing was left of the once mighty Imperial Navy, and Japan's air force had been all but totally destroyed. Against only token opposition, American war planes ranged at will over the country, and US bombers rained down devastation on her cities, steadily reducing them to rubble.


    What was left of Japan's factories and workshops struggled fitfully to turn out weapons and other goods from inadequate raw materials. (Oil supplies had not been available since April.) By July about a quarter of all the houses in Japan had been destroyed, and her transportation system was near collapse. Food had become so scarce that most Japanese were subsisting on a sub-starvation diet.


    On the night of March 9-10, 1945, a wave of 300 American bombers struck Tokyo, killing 100,000 people.

    Dropping nearly 1,700 tons of bombs, the war planes ravaged much of the capital city, completely burning out 16 square miles and destroying a quarter of a million structures. A million residents were left homeless.


    On May 23, eleven weeks later, came the greatest air raid of the Pacific War, when 520 giant B-29 "Superfortress" bombers unleashed 4,500 tons of incendiary bombs on the heart of the already battered Japanese capital.

    Generating gale-force winds, the exploding incendiaries obliterated Tokyo's commercial center and railway yards, and consumed the Ginza entertainment district. Two days later, on May 25, a second strike of 502 "Superfortress" planes roared low over Tokyo, raining down some 4,000 tons of explosives.

    Together these two B-29 raids destroyed 56 square miles of the Japanese capital.


    Even before the Hiroshima attack, American air force General Curtis LeMay boasted that American bombers were "driving them [Japanese] back to the stone age." Henry H. ("Hap") Arnold, commanding General of the Army air forces, declared in his 1949 memoirs: "It always appeared to us, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse."

    This was confirmed by former Japanese prime minister Fumimaro Konoye, who said: "Fundamentally, the thing that brought about the determination to make peace was the prolonged bombing by the B-29s."


    Japan Seeks Peace


    Months before the end of the war, Japan's leaders recognized that defeat was inevitable. In April 1945 a new government headed by Kantaro Suzuki took office with the mission of ending the war. When Germany capitulated in early May, the Japanese understood that the British and Americans would now direct the full fury of their awesome military power exclusively against them.


    American officials, having long since broken Japan's secret codes, knew from intercepted messages that the country's leaders were seeking to end the war on terms as favorable as possible. Details of these efforts were known from decoded secret communications between the Foreign Ministry in Tokyo and Japanese diplomats abroad.


    In his 1965 study, Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam (pp. 107, 108), historian Gar Alperovitz writes:

    Although Japanese peace feelers had been sent out as early as September 1944 (and [China's] Chiang Kai-shek had been approached regarding surrender possibilities in December 1944), the real effort to end the war began in the spring of 1945. This effort stressed the role of the Soviet Union ...


    In mid-April [1945] the [US] Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for a way to modify the surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was convinced the Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting.


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    The Emperor himself cited the atomic bomb as a cause to surrender in his infamous speech.

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    It was also about showing the Soviet Union (and other future potential aggressors) we meant business. It solidified our Alpha-status to the world

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    The Emperor himself cited the atomic bomb as a cause to surrender in his infamous speech.
    so? Nobody told him about the B-29s destroying Tokyo, the Navy, the Air Force months earlier?

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    Japan should have surrendered unconditionally after the Tokyo firebombings. They didn't. What, did they think the war was going to get easier from there? I'm glad we didn't need to do an invasion of the mainland that could have been Iwo Jima on an enormous scale.

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    Japan should have surrendered unconditionally after the Tokyo firebombings. They didn't. What, did they think the war was going to get easier from there? I'm glad we didn't need to do an invasion of the mainland that could have been Iwo Jima on an enormous scale.
    USA KNEW for months the Japs wanted to stop, and Japs knew they were beaten, but what's a few 100K more dead Japs when niggling over surrender terms? non-white, non-Christian, so nuke the ers.

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    USA KNEW for months the Japs wanted to stop, and Japs knew they were beaten, but what's a few 100K more dead Japs when niggling over surrender terms? non-white, non-Christian, so nuke the ers.
    Why are all of your posts dripping with pussyjuice tbh?

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    Japan should have surrendered unconditionally after the Tokyo firebombings. They didn't. What, did they think the war was going to get easier from there? I'm glad we didn't need to do an invasion of the mainland that could have been Iwo Jima on an enormous scale.
    Exactly. Bouton's buddies are rewriting history. The invasion would have cost a mlllion lives plus.

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    Is avante going there to visit the bar scene?

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    Exactly. Bouton's buddies are rewriting history. The invasion would have cost a mlllion lives plus.
    that's the US govt propaganda.

    Nuking 100Ks of Jap civilians, aka non-combattants, over surrender terms was a war crime.

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    boutons wasn't down with destroying the right wing nuts in Japan?

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    boutons wasn't down with destroying the right wing nuts in Japan?
    Nuking 100Ks of Jap civilians, aka non-combattants, over surrender terms was a war crime.

    When the Jap version of American ULTRAnationalists got hit with surrender, they didn't go on to murder the Allied occupation forces.




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    so? Nobody told him about the B-29s destroying Tokyo, the Navy, the Air Force months earlier?
    The Emperor's subjects were prepared to fight to the last man. The fact that the Emperor didn't surrender after the first atomic bomb is evidence enough of just how stubborn they were. It took the shock of finally realizing that entire cities could be wiped out one by one and that we were willing to do it to force a surrender... that combined with the Soviet's starting to attack them as well.

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    The Emperor's subjects were prepared to fight to the last man. The fact that the Emperor didn't surrender after the first atomic bomb is evidence enough of just how stubborn they were. It took the shock of finally realizing that entire cities could be wiped out one by one and that we were willing to do it to force a surrender... that combined with the Soviet's starting to attack them as well.
    you fish bought the US govt propaganda hook, line, sinker

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    you fish bought the US govt propaganda hook, line, sinker
    So what's your take? You think it was a conspiracy to murder as many civilians as possible?

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    Bookaki is big on revisionist history.

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    Bookaki is big on revisionist history.
    Iwo Jima and Saipan never happened.

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