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    You should take out West. Unless this is not david west. I would almost take delonte west over david west.
    I could see David West excelling next season, have a little fire after what he and the team gave us this playoffs.

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    You got that old piece of Manure out of the picture... Seems fine to me
    Come on now .. Shame shame

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    I could see David West excelling next season, have a little fire after what he and the team gave us this playoffs.
    why? He's wet farted in the playoffs every time.

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    Did we miss Ferrari (Belinelli) this season or what?

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    Did we miss Ferrari (Belinelli) this season or what?
    Belinelli was one of my favorites, always came in and hit big shots. Wouldn't mind seeing him back.

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    Get an actual NBA Small Forward on the bench, figure everything else out after
    Matt Barnes

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    Honestly I dont want major changes to occur. In 2012 we didnt overreact, brought the team back, then brought it back again and won the le.

    This ultimately came to not making plays in the clutch, which we did in 2014......Perhaps we need a slight philosophy change, Pop dedicate the whole year to focus on defense for the Warriors, we didnt get to play the Warriors though

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    Honestly I dont want major changes to occur. In 2012 we didnt overreact, brought the team back, then brought it back again and won the le.

    This ultimately came to not making plays in the clutch, which we did in 2014......Perhaps we need a slight philosophy change, Pop dedicate the whole year to focus on defense for the Warriors, we didnt get to play the Warriors though
    Uh that was milking out the big three, we are plugging holes.

    Stay the course would be to keep Parker and pour our $$ into bigs.

    I support this plan because I think Parker is useful but I don't dispute anyone's argument he should go or be benched. But this is game theory, every choice has am an effect and changing pg had huge effect/cost

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    Uh that was milking out the big three, we are plugging holes.

    Stay the course would be to keep Parker and pour our $$ into bigs.

    I support this plan because I think Parker is useful but I don't dispute anyone's argument he should go or be benched. But this is game theory, every choice has am an effect and changing pg had huge effect/cost
    The fact that there was no clear cut offensive iden y or philosophy lends itself to the notion that Parker at 15 million doesn't do anything that someone at 8 million couldn't do. If Duncan and Manu walk away Parker might as well ride off into the sunset, the kind of basketball philosophy that the spurs needs leaves him in the dust and obsolete.

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    F that scrub. More like Batum.

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    The fact that there was no clear cut offensive iden y or philosophy lends itself to the notion that Parker at 15 million doesn't do anything that someone at 8 million couldn't do. If Duncan and Manu walk away Parker might as well ride off into the sunset, the kind of basketball philosophy that the spurs needs leaves him in the dust and obsolete.
    It's called a contract B.C. It binds the parties. Parker can't just walk away.....he'd be costly to cut. He'd be costly to salary dump. He'd could be traded for equal talent, but don't think we're getting young talent for Parker, think r.Jeff for s Jax.

    Keeping Parker could be the easiest thing, even if it sucks. That's economics.

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    It's called a contract B.C. It binds the parties. Parker can't just walk away.....he'd be costly to cut. He'd be costly to salary dump. He'd could be traded for equal talent, but don't think we're getting young talent for Parker, think r.Jeff for s Jax.

    Keeping Parker could be the easiest thing, even if it sucks. That's economics.
    And bring him off the bench..I really like the idea

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    It's called a contract B.C. It binds the parties. Parker can't just walk away.....he'd be costly to cut. He'd be costly to salary dump. He'd could be traded for equal talent, but don't think we're getting young talent for Parker, think r.Jeff for s Jax.

    Keeping Parker could be the easiest thing, even if it sucks. That's economics.
    We really don't know what it would net because quite frankly its really something we haven't even considered doing probably in quite a long time. I wonder what the reaction of the league would be once these phone calls started to happen regarding trading Parker. We don't know how costly it would be to salary dump him to a team, what it would take or what we would get in return. Jeff for S. Jax wasn't a bad thing, Jax fit the profile of the team a lot better and gave us grit and determination, he just wasn't "spur material"

    The sooner the "big 3" is over and the remnants of it are ousted the sooner a new philosophy can be adopted.

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    F that scrub. More like Batum.
    1- Batum is a better player
    2- Batum would not come off the bench (maybe starter in sg)
    3- Batum will receive very high offers on the market

    for backup SF think Barnes would be great (especially for small ball)

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    While they're at it, time to rework the assistants too

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    The only potential non retiree, who I'd have said is probably more likely to return than not before the season, that probably no longer is, is Diaw. They clearly tired of his act as the season wore on, he's in decline, they (inexplicably) love Anderson and the two don't fit well together.

    There's also a serious need for a true stretch four (28 3's from rotation bigs; 43 total from all bigs) and Bertans isn't the answer, at least not next season. He'll inevitably be a non rotation player in his first season, the same way every foreigner not named Parker and Ginobili have been.

    Teletovic makes sense. The Suns and him supposedly have mutual interest in a return, but for all the obvious reasons, I'd imagine the Spurs would hold appeal.

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    People should cool it with the "Let's not overreact to the OKC loss" talk. That ignores that Tim and Manu and Parker were underwhelming or undependable for long swaths of the season. We were assuming that they would step it up in the playoffs, and they didn't. Overreacting is believing Tim's not done because of Game Six. He is, especially as a regular-season rotation player. Manu is done as the focal point of the second unit. But you're not going to get Tim as a pinch-hitter. You can definitely find guys who are better plays as off-ball guys than Manu at this point. It's hard for people to understand, but they simply aren't worth it anymore. If the Spurs were over the cap and have numerous young prospects developing, you could make the argument. But you really can't anymore.

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    People should cool it with the "Let's not overreact to the OKC loss" talk. That ignores that Tim and Manu and Parker were underwhelming or undependable for long swaths of the season. We were assuming that they would step it up in the playoffs, and they didn't. Overreacting is believing Tim's not done because of Game Six. He is, especially as a regular-season rotation player. Manu is done as the focal point of the second unit. But you're not going to get Tim as a pinch-hitter. You can definitely find guys who are better plays as off-ball guys than Manu at this point. It's hard for people to understand, but they simply aren't worth it anymore. If the Spurs were over the cap and have numerous young prospects developing, you could make the argument. But you really can't anymore.
    I don't know who's more eager to see them go, SAGirl or you. You're both practically giddy at the prospect.

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    What's best for the team vs. sentimentality.

    I think Tim & Manu are wise enough to give this team the gift that a true great can give at his very end.

    They retire. Spurs retool. Contend again.

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    While they're at it, time to rework the assistants too
    Except Becky. She made Kyle look like an NBA Player

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    People should cool it with the "Let's not overreact to the OKC loss" talk. That ignores that Tim and Manu and Parker were underwhelming or undependable for long swaths of the season. We were assuming that they would step it up in the playoffs, and they didn't. Overreacting is believing Tim's not done because of Game Six. He is, especially as a regular-season rotation player. Manu is done as the focal point of the second unit. But you're not going to get Tim as a pinch-hitter. You can definitely find guys who are better plays as off-ball guys than Manu at this point. It's hard for people to understand, but they simply aren't worth it anymore. If the Spurs were over the cap and have numerous young prospects developing, you could make the argument. But you really can't anymore.
    Parker is the problem - not worth the money he's getting. TD and Manu are certainly worth what they are getting paid. Sure TD underperformed this playoffs but remember he was 1st in DBPM and 2nd in DRating in the RS - especially when a big problem with OKC was their front line. You would get rid of them and replace with who? for that money? like big men go for cheap. I'm not even sure they can keep Boban - surely someone will pay him more than the Spurs can. And TD has certainly earned the right to stay as long as he wants - look at Bonner.

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    Parker is the problem - not worth the money he's getting. TD and Manu are certainly worth what they are getting paid. Sure TD underperformed this playoffs but remember he was 1st in DBPM and 2nd in DRating in the RS - especially when a big problem with OKC was their front line. You would get rid of them and replace with who? for that money? like big men go for cheap. I'm not even sure they can keep Boban - surely someone will pay him more than the Spurs can. And TD has certainly earned the right to stay as long as he wants - look at Bonner.
    The draft.. Milutinov is parked overseas and he signed a 3 year deal but we need him now to start developing and keeping him over there is not going to help anything. Go through the D league and look for a diamond who's waiting for an opportunity. Summer League could yield some very positive results. Change doesn't happen unless its out of necessity and it is a necessity once tim walks away. Its time.

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    While they're at it, time to rework the assistants too
    Is it time to question whether Messina as the lead senior assistant is bringing anything to the table? I understand Udoka deference (an age gap thing with Pop being his mentor), but things seem to have gotten worse even with guy we all ted on (Boylen) departing last season..

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    not gonna watch, or at least not now, but if that's what pop really said and that's how he really feels about andre miller... then he should've given him some ing playing time. i feel the same way about him and was on board for him starting over parker.

    at 40 he outplayed parker in an elimination game.
    I agree completely. Miller looked terrific. Pop should have pulled the leash a lot quicker and a lot sooner with some of the under-performers (Mills and TP). Actually, I'm not sure TP under-performed, I think he gave exactly what he can nowadays. That's the sad part.

    Of the BIG 3, he's the guy I don't want back. I'd be fine with Manu and Tim returning. Manu had a terrific year for what's expected of him. Going forward, perhaps his time is reduced to between 10 and 15 minutes a game instead of 19. I didn't realize he averaged 9 pts a game! That's not bad at all.

    I love Boris Diaw's game but he really let the team down this year. He's always looked chubby to me but people swear he was out of shape this season. If that's the case, then perhaps his shelf life has expired here.

    Danny Green and Patty Mills both had bad years. Danny has starting caliber defense but his offense is very limited. I think he should go to the bench and the Spurs find a more versatile option to start. I'm not sure who that is though. Is Simmons a possibility? He could become a terrific defender if he works on it.

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    The 3rd scoring option was the bigger concern, whether that be TP, Patty, or Green. One of those guys puts together an entire offensive series, and those close games would've been won, series over in 5

    TD is the last offensive option of the starting 5, and Manu played floor general all year. If we saw them overextend themselves this series, it was because the younger guys were playing like . They weren't the reasons for the elimination.

    How do people expect to replace the bbIQ those two give the team? Pau? Who plays floor general for the second unit?

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